Atheist on LSD/DMT/Psychedelics

Indeed...

 

maybe the things you see in a trip [such as the divine] is just the way the trip helps you comprehend it. Scratch what I said before. Yes, you do see it, but it really isn't there, it's a hallucination. I think it's just a way to convey the messages the trips bring.

 

Hmmmmmm..........dont know 'bout that one sun.
You see, the comprehension of a divinity permeating and in fact, BEING, the universe in a totality, completley removed from the limited perception of time as 3 dimensional fragments but rather encompassing eternity, is far beyond the realm of vision, or smell, or any of our senses. It is not an hallucination, it is a realization. There is no doubt one may again experience once you've 'seen the (metaphorical) light', but how one choses to wrap words around it to share with others and find out if anyone else sees it too, and that they are not going crazy, is where the simple minded bicker over words and argue over that which no one has the handle on.
I chose to use the word God, and I am probably more disgusted than any atheist at what 'God' has done for humanity. But the works of man do not compare to the works of creation, and the buleprints are stored deep down, in tiny seeds, waiting to sprout from within your awareness.
"Once in awhile you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you like at it right."

 

A large part of my life is put towards trying to understand how or why people have mystical experiences. I have taken LSD and DMT and other psychedelic drugs and some of my experiences have baffled me. But I never assumed to be an all knowing being. Thus these experiences drive me to understand more. I believe that psychedelic drugs bring out more thoughts from our mind. All of our thoughts are as real as eachother, but their content may or may not align with the world that we all agree on. I think if psychedelic drugs bring out mystic experiences, then mystic experiences represent a physical phenomenon in the brain. But it is not enough to just say this - its just my oppinion. Most of the things in my trips that seemed supernatural have, over time and with thought, become only as mysterious as every other part of life.
We as humans are so ignorant of our own brains. We often forget that our whole reality is generated/configured by our brain. The new realities that we experience on trips might not have much to do with the physical world, but they can illuminate to us many aspects of the world we actually live in - they can teach us about what drives our virtual, brain-created worlds. They can expose to us the information that our world has access to but normally leaves out of conscious process.
They can confront us with situations that are so rich of information or sensation that our normal brain mechanisms cannot handle the signal and reduce it into certain otherworldly sensations such as external consciousnesses, energy fields, warping fluid realities, etc

DMT is the most baffling of them all

It has made me reconsider my whole life at times.

But we must not give in to astonishment. . .

 

If you are inseparable from that "divinity" its ceases to exist as anything perceptible, the supernatural becomes just natural, that nature is not based on hierarchical impositions but becomes interactive. Psychedelics experiences, to me, have been so far beyond what others say "god" is, I would never use that word to describe it. The traditional meanings of "god" are so antiquated that it needs to die. I am for the evolution of language and the development of new words, to be more concise and precise in the expression of complex ideas. I know, in my heart, that god never existed.

 

It makes perfect sense to me that some idiot on a drug induced hallucination would believe he's closer to God. After all God = Zero, nothing, nada, he's a product of mans imagination. So when you start disrupting neural pathways in your brain, in a sense you are becoming closer to God or ZERO consciousness. Also in that you are blocking physical senses with chemicals and forcing more core process such as imagination to take over your shattered mind state, because other than being Zero, God is only Imagination.

If you really want to be as close to God Zero as possible, you should smash your gray matter to bits, jump off a building, shoot yourself in the head or just overdose and turn to mush.

 

If it's beyond human senses, how could you or anyone possibly know about it?

 

As some have theorized, modern religions developed out of pre-historic psychedelic shamanism, then lost its way when it lost its roots to it.

 

I assume that you have not taken LSD?

 

And I am for getting along with people who can show love no matter what anothers level of 'comprehending' God and the meaning behind the word is. Arguments over words serve about as much purpose as having mashed potato legs.

 

Well I guess thats just for some to know and for some to find out. :cheers2:

 

Spirituality and mystical experiences are not synonymous with the belief in a god or gods. Take a look at religions that are essentially atheistic in nature, Buddhism, Taoism, Jainism, for example. I don't think there is any conflict between atheism and those types of experiences.

 

Such a good answer, but can I add 'and some who will live clueless' ?

 

oh, thanks, that helps.
But on DMT trips, they talk about people guiding them, or forces explaining something to them, or making them feel something. I still just think it's their way of showing the message

I was reading DMT The Spirit molecule the other day, and it said, 'You can still be an atheist at 0.4 mg." Not that I believed it, but it was kinda funny, I think I read it the day after I made this thread.

 

Doesn't mean that any return to psychedelic shamanism would be any improvement though.

 

Rrrrrrrright, but you see my point: if you experienced it with your senses, it's not beyond human senses. Unless you're not human.

 

It is not experienced with the senses. It is actually experienced only when you are in a state of being disconnected from your senses, such as that which certain meditative efforts are aimed at attaining. Now the question is do you believe that you or I are capable of getting into that state without being dead? That might be where the root of our miscommunication is sprouting from.

 

If you're talking about oblivion we pretty much all experience it every night.

Thing is though, even dreams are experienced through our senses. They're just caused by stimulation of nerves and synapses that would normally respond to external stimulation of sense organs. I'm guessing (I don't know) that a trip has a similar effect. No offense to psyche fans, but I find dreams to be far more interesting from a spiritual perspective than hallucinogens, because they have the same kind of effect without introducing chemicals into the body.

 

I was an Atheist prior to my psychedelic use.

Thank God these substances found me

 

The difference is that dreams come automatically, and intense meditative states take much effort. The other difference is that dreams involve visual experience, much like psychedelics, and the deeper states of samadhi are a state of suspension in which only awareness is experienced. This awareness is not the same as consciousness, and unless you try for yourself, it can not be explained. Naturally, because it cant be explained as it is to anyone, even though people have been trying to for thousands of years