Astrology

you may call me an idiot if you like.

two degrees in four years by the time I was 22 ... I'm fairly secure in my intellectual ability.

honestly, I only skimmed your first post, didn't try to understand your analogy until Enlil posted about the dark age. I've been posting on this board for maybe a few weeks, so I'm no expert on Astrology. Only knew my sun & moon sign before that.

sorry. I should probably read completely before I do a flyby post. your post however was not that interesting, did not make much sense but what I did get was that you are an angry young man who thinks he has life figured out.

I wish you lots of success on your journey through life.

I choose to go through life with as much of a smile on my face and a positive attitude as I can have.

It just makes it more fun.

oh. I stick by my statement that I hope you aren't too concerned with our funerals or our deaths.

oh. already callin' in for backup?

 

Hahahaha

Hell, i will be very concerned, actually wish if i die before you, when we meet there we can discuss astrology and jump from Mars to Venus to Pluto.... then from one universe to the other ...Wow. it's going to be reall fun there.

I guess i irritated him when i said the word "defense", actually did not mean that exactly, but he was naturally playing the angry Bull, and i reacted naturally as the angry Ram. Which is astrology after all. hahahaha.

 

I wouldn't count myself as backup, as i'm not taking part in this. I merely stated my personal views, and now i'm observing.

 

nah. you didn't make him angry.

in his second or third post he was telling us to not be a peaceful flock or something but to come out & battle.

he came in angry. he was ready for a fight & we were going ~ *yawn*

I did re-glance over his post and I believe he is saying he doesn't like (actually despise was his choice of word) ... astrology or those who believe in it. something about how it hasn't been proven scientifically. and why don't we see the harm in allowing people to be whatever they want.

most of the important things in life cannot be proven "scientifically" but I don't plan to debate an 18 year old. about anything.

after he has lived a few years I will.

 

well he was calling in for reinforcements. already.

he didn't know you weren't gonna play... or us!

There won't be much to observe. We aren't really taking the bait & I think you & he will be bored soon. This forum isn't that active, really.

 

To be honest, I'm vastly impressed! A group has actually trenched themselves in and manned the turrets... loaded the guns... This warrior has seen few a battle waged with such a burning passion. However, this WAS started as a cowardly side hobby, not something to fill an entire day. I will respond, but will be dormant for a couple days (School, etc... didn't expect this to be such an active forum) Back to the war...
I KNOW alchemy wasn't invented in the dark ages, I'm LABELING THINGS under the metaphor of DARK AGE THINKING: Pretty much in reference to all superstition aside from religion. Also, there are too many points to adress imediately, so I'll say this.

You may have caught me with innacuracies and inconsistancies, but being ignorant of the history of astrology is like being ignorant to the history of the lach ness monster of mermaids or leprachauns. If I was innacurate on more than one account, I'm sorry. I care little. I'll be on soom.

NOTE: I'm only human. if I come back in a coupler days and there's 7 or more pages of complaints I'll have to admit defeat by default because I refuse to read EVERYONE'S rant. Keep it signifigant and reasonable. Goodnight, sleep well in your trenches. Seace fire!

 

I for one am not all that impressed by "modern" science. What they have given us are inexhaustible ways of destroying the environment, fighting better and better wars, creating a twisted medical system where dangerous pills and surgeries are substituted for healthy diets and common sense and people who have destroyed their bodies with junk food are enabled to live for years at the cost of billions, electronic science which has made machines which can think as fast as the speed of light but without a care for the vast amounts of toxic waste their mountains of quickly obsolete junked products create, and generally more and more ways of satisfying the ambitions of the greedy, the arrogant and the wicked. I am not against science but when it is put at the service of an amoral and unenlightened culture and scientists gladly create monstrous things for the excitement of playing god and getting funding, then perhaps an ancient spiritual system that delves deeply into the connection between consciousness and matter is at least worth considering. People who denigrate astrology rarely know much about it. Yes there are simpletons who play with astrology and there are plenty who happily exploit their superstitions. But I have found wisdom in this ancient art that has helped me understand myself and negotiate life where science has failed and betrayed me time and time again.

Also, as subgoin alluded to, it's amusing to see how different dominant signs in people will lead them to criticize astrology in different ways. For instance I have a Scorpio friend who smirkingly once said to me, "Yeah, astrology. Doesn't that mostly work on dead people?" My apologies to you skeptics who won't understand the humor and irony of this.

 

Oh and by the way. I love astronomy and have a very high respect for it although every time I see a space shuttle blasting into the sky and scattering tons and tons of poisons into the air I do have reservations.

 

Dear Fellow man

For my side You are always welcomed to agree or disagree, just do not go personal. Concerning war, this is my First name, also welcomed any time.

When time passes and get more Real experience, you will wonder then how foolish one can be in young age believing he knows everything, just because he goes to Gym, have a girl friend, make sex,have a
good study/job ..etc. that's only the very beginning, merely the base.

It is what comes after that makes real experience, after years of living, married, divorced, worked for many years, had some real troubles ..etc. That can change your views to a degree that you will wonder at yourself sometimes.

Any how till next battle, we wish you all the success, .....and train well for we are tough.

Best of luck

Ares (God of Love & War)

--------------------------------------->>> ..

 

Perfectly Right, Agree with you 101%, guess he meant Autopsy. Hahahaha.

 

When someone comes out swinging like that, it negates debate. If I tell you that you suck, then you are then put in a position to "prove" that you DON'T suck. This is not a debate.

People who do this are basement dwellers. A basment dweller lives in a closed space with only tiny windows where all they can see is whatever life is just outside the window. They mahave read about flowers, mountains, and oceans, but they will never see them. These are only abstract concepts to them.

To disagree with any metaphysical thing is not wrong. If we were trying to shove astrological charts down your throat, then I could understand some hostility. However, YOU came in here to "prove" that you were smarter than us. You say it was boredom, but the real reason you came in here was to be superior. This is no different than a bully.

Would you, if you had the access, written an e-mail to the Dali Lama and tell him that Buddhism is crap because he can't prove the existence of spirit? Would you attack a rabbi and tell him unless he can scientifically prove the existence of God, then he is wrong?

Somehow I don't think so. You came here because you thought we were easy targets. You thought we were a bunch of "Madame Cleos" rubbing crystal balls.

If you are going to call something superstitious as opposed to religious, then you need to define your terms. What is religion? What is superstion? Astrology is really neither, although some people can be superstitious about it. I don't see as a religion though.

Science, religion, and metaphysics don't have to fight. I have absolutely no problem dealing with all of it and I don't have a contradiction. The problem comes from all sides though. Spiritual people can tend to believe that science is wrong because it contradicts their beliefs. On the other hand the science camp does the same thing. They hate anything which cantradicts science.

The main premise, in very simple terms, of spirituality in general is the communion with the hidden. I use the word "hidden" to encompass all of the spiritual world. There are many things that one can experience that are very real to the person experiencing it. Sure it could be caused by chemicals in the brain, group psychology, or whatever. But does this even really matter? The bottom line is that it is real at the time the experience happens. Astrology is just another avenue.

Most skeptics use very bad sources when debunking astrology. If one concentrates on Sun signs, as most people do, then you will have very vague results. I have seen studies where "100 prominant astrologers" were consulted. Who ARE these 100 astrologers? What makes them prominent? What criteria were being used?

On the other hand science is very useful and important. Yes I know the Moon is a ball of rock and Jupiter is a ball of gas. Yes I know the Earth revolves around the Sun, and that Saturn isn't out form my destruction. Science gave me this computer. Religion wouldn't have done that. Science doesn't help people commune with the unknown either. Some people need that and others don't. Apparently you don't, so as my first post stated, I would suggest you run as far away from astrology as you can.

I am not here to convert people. I will not do charts for people who don't want them. Even if you asked me I wouldn't do your chart because you will dismiss everything, much as some people won't receive benefit from a doctor when their advice is ignored.

If you want to see the way astrology was REALLY practiced in the old days, then pick up a copy of Lilly's "Christian Astrology" (the name sucks yes I know) or Al-Biruni's book, or Ptolemy's "Tetrabiblos". You wil see there is more to this than picking up a newspaper and finding out that you today is the day you will meet someone special.

 

I know you are talking to that man, but started to be paranoid lol, specially putting my Quotes there. Any how i trust you do not mean me....hahaha

 

Did I quote you? If I did it was a coincidence.

 

Hahahaha