Ask A Pedophile thread

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  1. NotAMonster

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    I really wish somebody from the staff would do something about you.
    You're very hateful.
     
  2. NotAMonster

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    They were USED. Child prostitution still exists to this day and it's wrong. Those who will go to Cambodia just to get their dick sucked don't have the child in their best interests. How does that equate to a relationship?



    Why should love have to wait? You don't seem to understand that I wouldn't force a child to be with me. If I'm interested in a young girl, adult/child relationships were legal, the girl's parents were okay with it, but the girl herself wasn't interested in being with me, I'M GOING TO RESPECT HER DECISION AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.







    Why shouldn't I be tested? If that's the parent's and or child's wish, so be it. The girl has every right to tell me if she doesn't want to be penetrated. No pentration=no pregnancy. You seem to think that it would be all about me.





    Again,
    Law never goes against the foundations of society. Some Greek philosophers refuted the existence of the gods; hardly any opposed slavery.

    Everything you say is what has been drilled into your brain. I'm only thinking about my dick, I'm evil, I'm sick, children can't make decisions for themselves, even if they're educated, I should seek professional help, it doesn't matter if I cite legitimate sources to back up my claims. If a white man 300 years ago spoke up for slaves, they would have been ridiculed. Women until very recently had hardly any rights. It doesn't matter WHAT was wrong in the past let alone in the present. As long as something is generally accepeted by the majority, it will hardly ever be questioned.
     
  3. Lady of the Freaks

    Lady of the Freaks Senior Member

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    you know...gigantic font really doesn't strengthen your argument. i'm not an idiot spouting what has been 'drilled into' my brain. i'm trying to point out to you that you are asking other people to take responsibility for the potential harm to their child that could come from an early sexual relationship. they're simply not gonna do it. why the hell should they?

    there is a practical side to the protection of children from sexual relationships (whatever their duration). you're not addressing it. you instead accuse everyone who objects to adults having sex with their kids as having some religious hangup about sex. we have to live and raise our kids in the real world...in our society as it is today. there are many freedoms besides having sex that children are not granted until they are capable of handling the consquences on their own...for example drinking, driving, working. plenty of kids want to drink to excess...do you think parents should let them do that? loads of kids want to drive before they're old enuf to get a license...do you think that's a good idea? lots of kids want to get jobs when they're too young by law...do you think they should be allowed to do it? maybe they should get a nice factory job at 9 so they can buy a truckload of video games, vodka by the case, and a sweet little sports car...who needs to read anyways?

    you're simply wrong. it is exploitation to place your own desires ahead of the best interests of the child. the fact that the child may be curious about sex does not mean it's in their best interests to have a sexual relationship with an adult. you're taking a huge leap in logic there.

    you're simply wrong about this, and trying to paint yourself as taking the moral high road...being the defender of the rights of the downtrodden...is laughable. the children are not being harmed by postponing sexual relationships until they are fully developed enough to handle them. you are deluded by your own self-interest.
     
  4. NotAMonster

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    For the millionth time, I'm not putting my own desires ahead of the child's. What do you call giving them practically all say in a relationship and if a child isn't interested in a relationship to accept it and leave it at that?
     
  5. Lady of the Freaks

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    for the...well, not the millionth time honestly...i am saying that the best interests of the child IS NOT TO HAVE SEX WITH ADULTS for the reasons i have mentioned and more. you are saying you will only have sex with children who want to have sex with you. i am saying, regardless of what children THINK they want, a good parent intervenes when it is not in their best interests.

    think of it this way...say for just a moment that you are a parent. you decide you're going to make a dispassionate rational decision about whether your child should have sex with some adult they say they would like to have sex with. say as a parent you overlook the fact that the child does not know what they're asking for, because they've never experienced it. you sit down with a tablet and draw two columns on it: one for 'pluses' and one for 'minuses'. with no thought whatsoever to religious morals, you set about to add up all the reasons your child should have sex with this adult person, and all the reasons why they shouldn't.

    1st column:

    the child might enjoy the sex

    2nd column:

    the child might get pregnant (accidentally of course)
    the child might catch an std, possibly incurable or life-threatening (happens to the best of us)
    the child might get in over his/her head emotionally and suffer emotional distress
    the child might neglect his/her studies and fall behind in school
    the child might look to the new adult for guidance/authority rather than his/her parents

    i could continue, but you get the picture. all of these things happen in real life when teenagers have sex. even intelligent well-informed adults have accidental pregnancies and get std's even though they have the best intentions to prevent them. how can you, as a parent, be so sure you aren't opening the door to serious problems for yourself and your child by allowing this adult person to have a sexual relationship with him or her?

    obviously you can't.
     
  6. NotAMonster

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    Children know absolutely nothing, huh? Even in the midst of a sex ed class, with information readily available to them, they'll still never be able to make "informed consent" until they're 18 right?

    There's no "accidental" pregnancy when there isn't any penetration. There would be no emotional distress if there's mutual love and consent on both sides. Do you really dismiss Mary Kay Letourneau and Vili's marriage? By your logic, Vili didn't consent and he should be so depressed right now.
     
  7. Cobain's Shotgun

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    I am an 18 year old who enjoys sex with girls much younger than me (14/15), does that make me a pedophile? It's not like I seek it, but whenever there's opportunity..
     
  8. NotAMonster

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    Oh My Godz U Could Go 2 Jail For Statutory Rape! Do You Think An Innocent 14 Year Old Really Has The Capability To Consent 2 Sex????????????
     
  9. Lady of the Freaks

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    i just went back and checked...and, no...i did not say that children know nothing. what i'm saying is that children often do not fully comprehend the long-term implications of their decisions...and they often do not care...because they are children. they are on a steep learning curve and they have much knowledge to acquire in a relatively short amount of time in order to be able to survive on their own as adults. also, the last time i looked the age of consent in most places is considerably under 18.

    your repeated insistence that you will not make any mistakes that may cause damage to a child will continue to fall on deaf ears with any caring parent. any sexually experienced person knows that it can be difficult to control oneself when one is alone and having sex. countless millions of people have gone down that road and ended up parents in spite of their good intentions. you are being unrealistic to expect people to accept your constant assertion of the best case scenario as the only possiblity.

    you think that a sex ed class in an elementary school teaches a young child everything they need to know to make adult decisions about sex? you mention an infamous couple as though they are any indication of the expected outcome in all cases of sex between a pedophile and a child. first, he was 13 when the relationship began. you've talked about being interested in girl children as young as 10 or those having reached puberty, which can occur before 10. a girl of 10 or younger getting pregnant is a whole different thing than a boy of 13 getting someone pregnant. there are other reasons that sex with young girls cannot be fairly compared by age to sex with young boys as well.

    there are also pedophiles interested in children much younger, even infants. what about them? you don't like where society has drawn the line, that much is clear. but i wonder, where would you draw the line?
     
  10. Cobain's Shotgun

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    Lol I think you're being sarcastic, but since I have a lot of younger friends and I believe the female human body is ready for sex once it starts menstruation I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
     
  11. NotAMonster

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    How many times do I have to say it? I would not penetrate her. If there is no penetration, only oral sex and making out then there would be no accidental pregnancy.

    Not only Sex Ed, no. I've said clearly in an earlier post that there should also be open discussion about relationships and sex with parents and children. I know some start puberty very early. Who cares? The emotional maturity of a 12/13 year old is much greater than a 9 year old(at least usually)


    I'm well aware of nepiophiles. They disgust me. Most think infants can consent to sex. That would be taking advantage of a baby. I draw the line at under 12. THAT DOESN'T mean that it's all black and white. Some children are very mature for their age but aren't usually read for relationships until around 12.
     
  12. Lady of the Freaks

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    i think you're very naive. no matter how many times you say you would not penetrate a child, a parent would have to be an idiot to allow you to be alone and naked with their child. sex isn't that cut and dried. once people are aroused and the stage is set, things don't always go according to plan. a sex ed class and an 'open discussion' won't always prevent it from happening either.

    i still think you need to get out of your cotton-candy fantasy world of how wonderful everything would be and look at the practical and realistic concerns of parents. you are obviously fantasizing about some child you're attracted to. face the facts. it is not in her best interests for you to pursue a relationship with her at this time. wait until she is legal and then see if she is interested at that time. neither of you are going to suffer any irreparable damage by waiting, and she will benefit from having the time to become fully mature and able to make better decisions for herself. if you really care for her, that is what you will do.
     
  13. moonshyne

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    Who the fuck are YOU to pass judgement on anyone else? Though I happen to agree with you, I also think that you are probably just as disgusting for molesting a 10 year old as anyone who would do it to a 2 year old.

    It doesn't matter how nicely you put it, how much you claim to respect your victim or all these painsytou're taking to make it seem like your such a great guy....you are still just a child molester, taking advantage of children who are not able to decide for themselves that this is what they want. You might try to convince yourself that they do want it, but can you tell me honestly how many 10 year olds you've had hit on you? How many times have they gotten off of the swings, walked over to you and declared their sexual attraction for you? Never? Sure, they might be into it after you've been assaulting them and conditioning them for it, but that doesn't mean that this is what they want or are ready for.

    If you neglect a child, that child will usually learn to take care of itself of its own at an early age. That doesn't mean it's healthy, normal, or natural, and you rob that child of his/her innocence. What you do is no different. While you may not be penetrating anyone, you are still causing damage, and you are still committing a crime, and you are poisoning their minds into believing that you are violating them out of love.

    What I find the sickest though is how you've deluded yourself into thinking that what YOU want is what they want....but as I understand it, that is just typical for pedophiles. What you do is not and never will be okay, no matter how you try to twist the truth and justify it. If you were truly as concerned for the child's well-being as you claim to be (like, allowing their parents to have a say in the relationship...how thoughtfiul...) then you would leave them alone in the first place.
     
  14. tarnishedangelmomma

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    I'm well aware of nepiophiles. They disgust me. Most think infants can consent to sex. That would be taking advantage of a baby. I draw the line at under 12. THAT DOESN'T mean that it's all black and white. Some children are very mature for their age but aren't usually read for relationships until around 12.

    NO CHILD is ready for a relationship with an ADULT at the age of 12. What kind of deluded world do you live in? And about the whole penetration/no penetration thing you keep referring too....ORAL SEX IS PENETRATION....its just not penis/vagina penetration. It is most assuredly STILL ROBBING the child of their innocence, and NOBODY has a right to that. If you think a CHILD has the emotional maturity to be in some sort of relationship with you, obviously it is because YOUR emotional matuirty level is stuck at that of a child, and you cannot relate to someone in your own peer group on that level. That does NOT give you the right to abuse a child, and ANY parent who would knowingly consent to leaving you alone with their child is just as guilty as you are. Children are meant to be treasured and protected, NOT used for an adults sexual fantasies, or to feed your ego in some sick way.
     
  15. Lady of the Freaks

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    and...you're wrong.
     
  16. tarnishedangelmomma

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    It does not matter if the body is PHYSICALLY capable of the act. A childs emotions/intellect/understanding of right and wrong ARE NOT fully developed just because the body seems mature. Those of you who think they are, well, all your doing is proving the point that they are NOT, because even at your ages, you are having a big problem with reasoning and understanding the difference between right and wrong.
     
  17. its_des10e

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    Honestly, that's just a ridiculous excuse.... People also used to force their 13 and 14 year old daughters to marry men in thier twenties and thirties, too. But we don't do that anymore. Why? Because as a society and people we have evolved. We realize that there is damage done to children who are forced into or introduced to marriage/sex/relationships at that age.

    We teach the children in our lives that the right people to like are the ones thier age, and that's the way it should be. Any child of 12 or 13 or on up who goes looking for someone who is a lot older than her for any kind of relationship-like attention has probably already seen abuse in her life in the first place. Normal children don't think like that.

    No matter how you put it or how you defend your point, I find it wrong. I know the damage that is done. I lived it. Being introduced to those type of feelings, emotions, the physicalities of it... it's all damaging.
     
  18. moonshyne

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    You know, why don't you ask the victims of people like yourself what THEY think of the matter? (in response to the OP)

    I'm willing to guarantee that there are very few people who were molested in their youth that would look back on on the event(s) and consider it as a healthy, happy relationship, or as a cherished part of their childhood as you try to portray it. People go to therapy for that shit. People are so traumatized by sicko's like you violating them that their brains develop mental blocks on the event, they develop sexual and psychological issues.....all due to you and your assault.

    I said it earlier and I wanna make it absolutely clear....No matter how you try to rationalize your actions, no matter how you try to play it off as a mutual 'relationship', no matter how much you argue for your point, you're opinion is worthless. You are a threat to children, and should not be allowed to exist. The fact that you willingly admit that you would put your mouth or hands on someone's child instead of seeking help for your mental illness is all the proof we'll ever need of that. Of course you aren't going to admit that you're wrong. Of course you are going to try to make excuses for your behavior. Any other low-life waste of skin would do the same, regardless of his/her crime.

    I am not here to try to change your mind, because I know it would not happen. There is something wrong inside of you, something evil at the very core of your being and there is nothing I can do about that. My only hope is that maybe one day you will get what's coming to you....whether God strikes you down with a bolt of lightning, or a victim's father puts a bullet in yor brain.

    Mind you, this is not a personal attack. But just as you openly admit that you would violate little kids if given a chance, I also openly admit that I would celebrate your painful and untimely death, or anything else that would keep your disgusting hands off of any kid.

    Hopefully sooner rather than later.
     
  19. NotAMonster

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    There are 2 answers to this.

    It is a common logical fallacy for people to assume that everybody will experience a particular situation the same way as they do or have. Because one may have had a negative experience does not mean that every child having a sexual experience will consider it to be negative. I also had some childhood sexual experiences with an adult. The experiences were positive. But I am not going to try and apply my experiences universally. For example, I find BDSM to be abhorrent; the thought of engaging in such activity makes me queasy. If somebody were to subject me to such an experience, it would undoubtedly be negative for me. But many people find both enjoyment and sexual satisfaction from those sorts of activities. Who am I to judge them for that and to say that it is sick or disgusting simply because I find the thought of it distasteful?
    Incidentally, one does not become a victim of ‘pedophilia’, since pedophilia is only a sexual orientation, not an action. Furthermore, forensic data shows us quite clearly that the majority of child molesters are not actually pedophiles at all, but are what are known as ‘situational offenders’, or people whose primary sexual attraction is not children, but have turned to children either due to impaired judgment or the inability to find suitable partners within their primary attraction group.
    Researchers such as Ralph Underwager, Hollida Wakefield and Fred Berlin, persistently point out that many pedophiles never in their lifetimes ‘act upon’ their attraction.
    It is absolutely ludicrous to make such a statement about every single child in every single culture in every single nation in the world. Furthermore, it is important to ask oneself why a child might not “fully understand a sexual situation”. Is it because they are incapable of doing so? Or is it because the adults in their lives (parents, teachers, church leaders) have intentionally withheld information from them and kept them in the dark in order to perpetuate the myth of ‘childhood innocence’? It is useful to point out that this cult of childhood innocence is, historically speaking, a relatively new phenomenon, having only emerged fully in the nineteenth century.

    Now for the second answer:
    All the evidence from men who are suffering because of the aduse they suffered at the hands of preists as children and other similar cases IS NOT proof that relationships are bad.
    The men who have been coming forward to accuse priests of abusing them as children were abused against their will. They were manipulated or coerced by priests who used their position of authority to get what they wanted and to keep the boys silent afterwards. I do not in any way advocate non-consensual activity between any persons, regardless of their ages, and I most certainly are against adults using a position of authority, trust or power to get their way with young people who do not wish to have a physical and intimate relationship.
     
  20. Lady of the Freaks

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    what about seducing children? isn't that manipulative and coercive? after all, the adult doing the seducing has an unfair advantage, no? even if a young child consents to sex with an adult, is that consent real when they don't really understand what they are consenting to due to their lack of experience? can a young child truly understand what sex is just by having an adult explain it to them verbally? can they really understand the possible consequences given their limited life experience? i don't think so.

    by the way, the example you gave of a supposedly happy ending between a pedophile and a young child involves someone who was in a position of authority. mary kay was vili's teacher. why don't you recognize that relationship as coercive? and has the outcome really been positive? vili has had a pretty rocky time of it. his 'wife' is bipolar, and he has had legal problems such as DUI and auto theft convictions. he had a kid to raise and support by the age of 14, 2 kids to raise and support by the age of 15. the last news report i could find indicated he didn't have a job as of a year ago, and was thinking about a career as a tattoo artist. how well could things be going?

    it's not hard to tell that his parents weren't happy because they sued the town where he attended school for emotional suffering, lost wages, and the costs of raising his two kids. they felt that the school didn't protect him from Letourneau. obviously they feel they paid a price and i'm sure they don't feel that the relationship between mary kay and vili benefited their family. why should they have to pay that price? one thing for sure, it is an object lesson for any parent out there with a pedophile sniffin' around their kid.

    there is some liklihood that all the attention the national coverage brought to him, such as the media circus (including their big budget wedding on Entertainment Tonight) is the real reason he has persisted as long as he has in the relationship. he has expressed many misgivings about the relationship over the years, so it will be interesting to see how long it lasts. she's only been out of jail for a couple of years, and that might be the only reason it has lasted this long for all we know. if it weren't for book royalties and appearance fees, they may not be able to make ends meet at all. the fact that you produced this couple for your pedophilia poster couple says alot in and of itself.
     
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