As Long As It Doesn't Hurt Others?

Discussion in 'Ethics' started by TheSamantha, Sep 7, 2016.

  1. TheSamantha

    TheSamantha Member

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    Most people here would probably say people can do whatever they want as long as they're not hurting others.

    So Is okay to do sexual acts that don't hurt others like say, peeping at someone who doesn't know you're looking? Cheating? Or molesting someone while they're dead asleep if they'll never know? Is it okay to clean the toilet with the American flag?
     
  2. Asmodean

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    Cheating, peeping and molesting people wether they are aware of it or not is not ok of course. Even if it doesn't hurt them as long as they don't know. I'm sure if you place yourself in the perspective of the victim and consider what you think about trust you will agree.

    If I had an american flag I would always clean the toilet with it. I bet it feels awesome and how would it hurt somebody directly. Sure some people might get their proverbial panties in a twist when taking notice of it but that is entirely ok. Being hurt by others and feeling butthurt yourself because you took notice of something are 2 different things.
     
  3. The Walking Dickhead

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    First practical use of the American flag I've heard so far, or indeed any flag. I suppose in theory they could also be used for strangling politicians.
     
  4. Tyrsonswood

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    This should happen more often...
     
  5. The Walking Dickhead

    The Walking Dickhead orbiter of helion

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    I'm surprised it doesn't
     
  6. Asmodean

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    Some have to bohow, some have to diehie

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4tlXfAy-fk


    Yeah, democracy sucks....
     
  7. Asmodean

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    Chaotic aftermath. It won't get the people what they want in most scenarios (except one dead politician :p).
     
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  9. Asmodean

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    Capitalism: a matter of supply and demand :D
     
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  10. TheSamantha

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    The victim knows nothing.
     
  11. Asmodean

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    Like I said in the case of cheating or molesting someone that really does not matter. Peeping might be a slightly less serious concern in some cases but not all. I guess there it depends on the person peeped on (sp? :p)

    People who excuse cheating on their (supposed significant) other with the idea that it is ok as long as (s)he doesn't know about it can be described as 'morally retarded' :) Maybe some people will only understand this after they get a call from an ex about an STD.
     
  12. pensfan13

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    Flags have no absorbing qualities. You would be better off cleaning it with a rubber souled shoe.
     
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  13. Ajay0

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    It will hurt the perpetrator still in the long run.

    I think one must feel compassion not just for the oppressed or victim, but for the oppressor or perpetrator as well. Both are victims in a sense.

    The sexual predator is also influenced by diabolical psychological tendencies created by his environment. A child who grows up watching perverse porno tapes may have a chance of becoming a sexual predator later on.
     
  14. TheSamantha

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    You could say that about a lot of things though, like drinking or sex.
     
  15. Perfect Disorder

    Perfect Disorder Paradoxically Spontaneous

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    As far as I can tell Sam the answer to your question pertains to your subjective morality and therefore is a question only you can answer
     
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    Any form of non consensual sex, or using another person for pleasure without their consent or even knowledge in the case of fondling the unconscious or voyeurism, is certainly bad for the perpetrator.

    Whilst I agree that often both abused and abuser are victims, I still think that such things are to be regarded as blameworthy. Often some form of psychological therapy might be more appropriate than punishment in cases of that kind. But still, not everyone who gets abused goes on to abuse others, so a balance is needed between recognizing a person has problems for which they are not responsible, and protecting society from such people.
     
  17. Meliai

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    Well for one there's always a chance the victim could find out, wake up, whatever.

    The victim of Brock Turner wrote a piece on how she felt after waking up and learning what happened to her, I recommend reading it if you don't understand why molesting an unconscious person is wrong.

    But even if they never find out, you're infringing on their right to make their own choices.
     
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  18. Rhydwyn the Green

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    the trouble with modern "capitalism is that the same people whio"create the demand" supply that demand with something you don't really need. it's called marketing or advertising, salesmanship; sell people something that you have convinced them they need, or just the way the drug companies create a demand is by making you think that you need what they make. what they make is more addicts than any street drug both are bad on some level. it is a co dependency that is unnecessarily caused when you monetize life .If you have to give up your happiness to make money you usually spend all that money trying to buy back that happiness That is why St Paul said the LOVE of money is the root of all evil He did not say money was Money it is an idea an illusion we use to exchange goods that is why there really is no such thing as free markets or true capitalism It;;s a marketing ploy to keep you on the treadmill. that's the reason it is so intertwined in the American Dream it is all a dream an illusion you can't eat a dollar bill and if no one is selling food you still can't eat no matter how many dollars you have. ask the people of Venezuela

    when most adults see a natural beauty their first t thought may be how beautiful but you can bet their next thought is not" how can I share this beauty but" "How can I take advantage of it/?" most just kids just say ooh how beautiful. never trust anyone over 14 ....lol that isn't even true
     
  19. Rhydwyn the Green

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    as for non consensual sex or for that matter casual sex that does not have care and concern for both parties it is like fucking a nun or worse killing one you are abusing something that was intended to be sacred. it doesn't matter who you have sex with (within your own species for health reasons) it matters why and for what purpose only Mosaic Law and Paul condemned gay sex and for the early jews it was the equivalent of eating a pork chop it was an abomination for paul his main concern was that it was unnatural then why do so many animals engage in samesex actions and even pair bonding? even the christ didn't mention gay sex only abusive sex he even forbid divorce except in the case of adultery where in the US is the highest rate of divorce?
    "The "bible" belt of the south. you can call yourself a christian. muslim jew or even an umbrella it doesn't actually make you one.
     
  20. Rhydwyn the Green

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    if you see some one suffering for what ever reason and you say" it's their fault that they are suffering you are right but it is also your fault that you don't care that they are suffering and do nothing end it in the most caring way in your ability.
     

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