As above so below

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  1. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    Nooo, my cookie :(

    That's ok, it was stale anyway! :cool:
     
  2. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Are you familiar with the idea of checking your work. A linguistic statement is like a math equation. In this instance you say God is good, God equals good. For that statement to prove mathematically sound you should be able to invert the formula and receive the same result. God = good, good = God. And again I ask you what is it to you? What is it you are objecting too?
    Your statement says sounds true but not quite. I ask then what is not true, what is the truth that you would enlighten us with?
    (knowledge of good and evil) is an entity of human experience, a single phenomena. I do not call the ( knowledge of good and evil) knowledge. I called it not knowledge but perception.

    Jesus did not demonstrate sacrifice but mercy. His life and teaching is demonstration and literation of true principle
    Then they do not exist.
    Yes, it is the result of sin.
    Seeing is a level of perception. I didn't create the world.
    No, this is your dream of separation and sin and death. You dream this dream and see yourself a figure in the dream without realizing you are the dreamer.
    Jesus comes to unravel the despair that this perception involves. In this dream you are a powerless victim. Jesus says this is really the way it works, the measure you give is the measure you get. Blessed are those who are awake when the master returns, he will gird himself and serve you.
     
  3. tikoo

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    my identity ? it's average . i'm touchable . sometimes people make up wild stories about me and , ok , they're pretty good ones . i'm not a stickler for the facts . the gentle myth of me can be startling to hear , then it's amusing .

    here's one i that made up . there are seven spirits within me and align across my chest . five of them are as a set personal to me . Two are common to all .

    togetherness is a primary spirit .
    to divide is not its exact opposite . what could be ?
    ... to deny togetherness
    .... to divide and destroy and deny

    feeling is a primary spirit .
    .... to not feel . again , it's opposite could
    be something about denial .

    once i went to the Cookie church to try out as a piano player . the sermon was about cookies , the songs about cookies , then we had cookies for lunch . oddly , they thought the happy ragtime piano closing was too extreme .

    p is for part ... bye .
     
  4. TipsyGypsy

    TipsyGypsy Light of a Fading Star

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    I think my heart just melted a little.
     
  5. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Yes I am. You should try it sometime.

    Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

    Yes, God is good but your reasoning fails when you try to convert it to God equals good, because the two are not the same thing.

    As I have pointed out many times to you, the true fact and mathematically sound statement that a square is a rectangle, does not mean that square equals rectangle or square = rectangle. It just means that a square is a subset of all rectangles, just as good is a subset of all God is.

    What is it to me? Good is not god and to say so is misleading.
    It is true, completely.

    You ask but you do not want to know.
    Why then do they call it the “knowledge of good and evil”, if it is not knowledge but perception?
    Jesus did not demonstrate sacrifice? Are you now teaching that Jesus’ death is meaningless? You did say you are a Christian, didn’t you?
    Child abuse doesn’t exist? Interesting. I believe that there are many who might disagree with you.
    Make up your mind, do they exist or don’t they?
    Sometimes but in this case seeing is being used as a metaphor for understanding.

    Really? :rolleyes:
    Nice dream you have there, too bad it has no basis in reality. The Bible tells us it was Satan who first told mankind there is no such thing as death, now you are telling us that we do not need Jesus’ sacrifice, all we need is the right perspective and we’ll not have sin and death.


    This is what I believe and it was written by someone inspired by God, by one who perceived the truth: If we make the statement: “We have no sin,” we are misleading ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous so as to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we make the statement: “We have not sinned,” we are making him a liar, and his word is not in us.
     
  6. thedope

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    Other than you simply repeating that because you feel it is misleading to say God and good are synonymous terms, yes I do. Like I say , it is not terms I wish to argue, but to convey meaning.
    Who is they? It is the name of a tree, a single entity. One they I know is you.
    You believe that you can judge the world. Man was not given the power to judge the world, but we are given the power to forgive our judgment against it. Until we do this, we have no appreciation of it at all, just varying degrees of suspicion.
    To sacrifice is to give up something you prefer to keep. I did not say Jesus death was meaningless. Did you not read what I said?
    Again the sin is not in the act, it is in the perception that to that person, the act gives the reward they seek. Yes, in time the "act" is horrible but all are redeemed in God.

    The truth sets us free. Forgive your brother. When we see Christ, we shall be like him.

    I am describing the dynamic of sin and it's undoing as I was taught. You, go and sin no more.
     
  7. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    It is you that keep repeating that "God and good are synonymous terms" without explaining why they should be.

    As for myself, I have repeatedly given you explanation why they are not but you do not listen.

    Here quoted below is a example of one of the explanations which you have ignored.

     
  8. OlderWaterBrother

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    Actually you called it that, the “knowledge of good and evil” is a direct quote from your post.
     
  9. OlderWaterBrother

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    Jesus' death was a sacrifice and yet you say Jesus did not want sacrifice, what is it, what are you trying to say?
     
  10. OlderWaterBrother

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    So now child abuse is not a sin, it's just a matter of perception. :rolleyes:
     
  11. OlderWaterBrother

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    It seems you were taught incorrectly.
     
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    Selfish Inconsiderate Need
     
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    I need a cookie..:p
     
  14. thedope

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    Again, in any linguistic formula the words god and good can be interchanged without altering the meaning. What is the purpose of it? To demonstrate that whatever is loosed on earth is also loosed in heaven. The word god means "that which is invoked". The word good means "unite".
    Good is further defined:1. of high quality: of a high quality or standard, either on an absolute scale or in relation to another or others

    I do listen waterbrother. You talk about rectangles and squares and a square being a subset of a rectangle. I comprehend your point. Presumably you do this to preserve a favored status for a specialized vocabulary of deification.
    It is not necessary for the son to be greater than the father, only that the son be like the father.
     
  15. thedope

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    Like I say, you believe that your belief gives you the power to judge the world.
    Do not judge by appearances, rather use right judgment. I've said this to you many times, I am a disciple of Christ.
     
  16. thedope

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    Will hazelnut shortbread do?
     
  17. OlderWaterBrother

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    If you actually listened, you would know that my example shows that "in any linguistic formula" the words God and good can not be interchanged without altering the meaning, yes God is good but good is not God, that statement is just false but you just keep obfuscating it to try and disguise that fact.

    As for your definition of God being "that which is invoked", I don't know where you got it but Webster's says the definition of God is 1: the supreme or ultimate reality: as a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshiped as creator and ruler of the universe. I would hardly call it "a specialized vocabulary of deification".
     
  18. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Yes you do say that and it sounds a bit judgmental to me.;)
    If you are a disciple of the Christ, then teach the things that Christ taught.
     
  19. thedope

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    Is it not true that you believe you know good and evil and can and point and say this is good that is evil, and do you not also feel that you are wise to do so?
    What would you like to know?

    Love God with all your strength, love your brother as yourself.

    If you would have what you want do not lay treasures up for yourself on earth where moth and rust corrupt and steal, but first seek the kingdom of heaven and all the rest shall be added to you.

    Judge not , lest you be judged.

    When you pray do so in secret.

    Give to him who asks from you.

    Learn what it means, I desire mercy not sacrifice.

    Sin no more.

    Forgive.
     
  20. thedope

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    As you can see from the definitions below there are many conjugations to the word God. You posited one of many and said this is what the word god means.
    As I have made an effort in the past to explain, every word that we speak, has at it's origin an embodied sensation. If you look at the bottom of the quotation you will see that the word god comes from the old English via Indo European, and it means that which is invoked.
    Now you can use a single conjugation and say this is what god means, however god also means, little bronze god standing in niche above the altar.
    The embodied meaning, "that which is invoked" covers all of the conjugations of the word. When you use a word that has many conjugations and you pick but just one and say this is the only definition that counts, then your vocabulary has become specialized.

    1. supernatural being: one of a group of supernatural male beings in some religions, each of which is worshiped as the personification or controller of some aspect of the universe
    Thor, the Norse god of thunder

    2. figure or image: a representation of a god, used as an object of worship
    the little bronze god standing in a niche above the altar

    3. something that dominates: something that is so important that it takes over somebody's life (informal)
    worshiping the false god of fame

    4. somebody admired: a man who is widely admired or imitated (informal)
    He was one of the rock music gods of the early Seventies.



    or gods, npl
    fate: the entire group of supernatural beings viewed as deciding human fate


    [ Old English , < Indo-European, "that which is invoked"]
     

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