As above so below

The synonymous secular expression for holiness is wholeness. The Holy is whole, without distinction or blemish.

 

I do not know the god Pallas Athena.
Knowledge is the constitution of being, what is not real does not exist. Knowledge does not require belief to be what it is.

Having said this, I disavow any specific in light of the absolute. These word are not meant as doctrinaire, they are a cadence and frequency that allows for passage from the incidentals of circumstance to the wholeness of being, conceptual "keys".

 

Oh, sorry; the Goddess, Pallas Athena.

 

You misstate your self sir. the god of war is not dead if you agree to disagree.
A truce is still a state of war.

There is a whole class of words which have no objective constituents in reality but are believed to be real things. These are words that contain the nil prefix or suffix, or in body are self contradictory.

For instance many perceive that nonexistence is a form of existence and in so doing destroy the meaning of both words.

 

god and good were once one and the same word. mind + time fosters distinctions and trivialities. there is nothing good that is not god, and god is nothing but good.

is there any bad?

 

C is for cookies, thats GOOD enough for me..

 

Yea, I dont know, I'm with Orison, I'm tripping right now and this is SILLLLYYY

The discussion itself is a separation from god.

 

Debating words again I see.

Not your formula? Then whose is it?

Also you didn't answer how reality can be good, when reality has so much that is bad.

 

As I pointed out the scriptures do not say "God is good" which is what you base your reasoning on. As I pointed out, the scriptures actually say "Nobody is good, except one, God".

 

Waterbrother you came into this thread objecting to my terms, I would rather not be debating words, but conveying meaning. What is your point? Do you think I do not accord God enough credit?

"Reality = murder, genocide, child abuse = good = God" This is not my formula, this is your quote.

I am saying that by virtue of an error in perception, sin, or judgment, we do not see the world that god created. Because we are convinced that we know both good and evil, we do not know the meaning of either one. The world you see is a false image. We do not see how over the course of time and distance events unfold according to a plan, a design of creation that supports life at every opportunity. Reality is self organizing, god's plan works, ours does not.

God being good creates the good. If you believe that God created the world and man and saw that they were good, then you are mistaken in your perception that the world is bad. If I say to you that both you and the world are still as god created you, you would say, what of all this bad.
I would say that all this bad is sin, an error in perception.
This is what is meant by, because you say you see your sin remains.

And a deep slumber fell over him and he dreamed a dream of separation and sin and death, which in reality never happened at all.

 

of course. its an attempt to logically convey something beyond words, which will necessarily come out clumsy and cumbersome. absolutely opposite of what reality and truth feels like; real, in your gut. simple, direct.

 

A common fallacy in Christianity. Which is interesting, the book "The Shack" does a pretty decent job of explaining what is left out about evil. It very very similarly suggests "evil" has arisen from a perception separated from god.

"Nobody is good, except one, God"

This has always been what I disliked about Christianity, a separation between the human race and the essence of that life created, as if almost suggesting there is no hope for the dissolution of the illuded self.

 

But yet again, there is such high attachment to scripture in Christianity, which seems to be quite evidently fulfilling of what I just said. So perhaps this is a concept best left out of the common Christian mind.

Since we're playing the scripture game...Here's a translation of something

"when your understanding has passed
beyond the thicket of delusions,
there is nothing you need to learn
from even the most sacred scripture

indifferent to scriptures, your mind
stands by itself,, unmoving,
absorbed in deep meditation.
this is the essence of yoga."

 

Actually, what I am trying to convey is not beyond words at all. I am describing how we, with all good intention, end up shooting ourselves in the foot. There is no requirement that the experience of man in his environs should be so thoroughly impassioned as to appear or demonstrate evil. We judge each other and the world with a far too random and limited sample to have anything approaching "good judgment".

The worlds idea of wisdom is good judgment. True wisdom is knowing you know not enough to pass judgment at all.

 

Yes indeed, fire is certainly suitable to fight fire.

Wait....No it's not. Maybe in this case.

 

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