As above so below

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by thedope, Apr 10, 2010.

  1. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Actually no, lots of things can give a feeling of peace. The true test of whether it is the Holy Spirit is whether it agrees with itself and since the "Holy Spirit" you have does not agree with what the Bible says then it is not the Holy Spirit.
    Once again it seems like you are say Jesus is a liar, are you?
    I recognize that you string together disjointed paraphrased Scriptures all the time but the way you use them, for the most part, contradict what the Bible is actually saying.
    I have never said that you disagree with my interpretations, that is just your judgment of me. I have merely pointed out and quoted Scriptures that disagree with what you say and you call what the Bible says interpretations.
    Are you beginning to understand? Yes, Jesus refers to himself as the Son of Man but also refers to himself as God's son, so Jesus is both.
    I do, it is you that take things out of context.
     
  2. famewalk

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    Many of us have for all the decent politics of Obama have failed to realize the value of investment in the cotton knitting industry.

    It is my humble opinion, that here on Earth rather than in Heaven (which may be on Wilscher Blvd.) and the skies belong to Greenpeace, the cotton industry is the reliever of colonial class injustice rather than the cause.

    Why? Because Christianity allowed the introduction of industrialism everywhere, and the content of everywhereness made the truth an issue of human interaction for the Intensivity of knowledge in the context of survival (not merely reproduction of the human race).
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  3. thedope

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    What do you mean no. I didn't say a feeling of peace, I said some form of peace. That can work out in something like battling neighbors laying down their arms for the sake of reconciliation. You are confused, the bible is not the same thing as the Holy spirit.
    If you knew Gods' peace you would recognize that it compares to nothing else. My father knows what is in my heart
    Do you not know your scripture?
    Show me.
    Your understanding of the bible is your understanding period. You are not the sole keeper of biblical understanding. You must read to read the bible. Reading involves the translation of symbols to make word and meaning.
    So I am a son of man, does that also make me a son of god?
    So God is both loving and fearful? These are a contradiction in terms.
    They just don't fit into the context that was fashioned for you. The context for understanding. Even the 12 had different levels of comprehension, some were privy to things that others were not and Jesus said there were many things that they did not yet understand but would be later revealed to them.
     
  4. thedope

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    They saw themselves naked and were ashamed. Guilt is of our own making, not a judgment from God
     
  5. famewalk

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    You're talking of the tree of Life, Darrell, it's the simple guilt going along with shame that exists for the seventh day situation perhaps, or maybe you mean the idea of no sense of nothing belonging to the self-control. God was still responsible for the Creation.
     
  6. thedope

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    Did Jesus do something he did not desire? He said he desired mercy not sacrifice. His only desire was to do the will of the father.

    What do you feel constitutes, "carefully examining the scriptures?"
    Jesus says the wise builders are those who hear his sayings and uses them. To me carefully examining the scriptures is to demonstrate them in life.
     
  7. thedope

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    Who is Darrel? We cultivate our own thoughts and every thought is a simulation. Fantasy is one possible result of the abstract nature of mind.
     
  8. thedope

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    As to your claim waterbrother that you answered my question about love in your own words, since you quoted the bible does this mean that you wrote the bible. You said the bible could explain better than you. Are they your own words or not?
     
  9. OlderWaterBrother

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    indicates a negative response, used to refuse, deny, or disagree with something.
    And a feeling of peace is not some form of peace? :rolleyes:
    You are the confused one, I have never said that Holy Spirit and the Bible are the same thing but the Holy Spirit would never teach something that would disagree with the Bible.
    If?
    I'm sure he does.
    Just answer the question. :rolleyes:
    I have shown you and will continue to show you.
    Actually no.
    Never said I was.
    Duh :rolleyes:
    Your point being?
    No.
    What? Maybe your God is fearful but the God of the Bible is not fearful.
    Love and fear are not contradictory terms.
    They don't fit the context that was fashioned by God in his word the Bible.
    Yes, true but what was to be revealed later would be in harmony with the Bible not in disagreement with it.
     
  10. OlderWaterBrother

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    What has that got to do with anything?
    No, he said God "desired mercy not sacrifice".
    Yes.
    Well it seems that, taken in context, it is talking about the Beroeans checking what was be told them against the Scriptures, to make sure what they were being told agreed with the Scriptures.
    Yes very true.
    Although putting God's word into action in our lives will give an understanding that those who do not will not have, one has to know what the scriptures say first, in order to know what it is that is to be applied.
     
  11. OlderWaterBrother

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    Are you really this obtuse? :rolleyes:
     
  12. famewalk

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    NO answer from the other fellow, and you come back to me. Anyway, another idea of your view of christianity.

    I think your view, beyond God the word returning us back to the Garden, is to consider confession naive for reconciliation, and communion non-naive for redemption.
    I and the other christian WaterBrot. just want to say that futurist rap depends on each individual, in other words, it depends on the suiting of so-called sacraments.;)
     
  13. darrellkitchen

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    How in the world did I get dragged into this?



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  14. famewalk

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    Transcendentally we all were ourselves in the Garden. Redemptively, in the future, we shall overcome the Heaven ambition or Need. For the present, is we'all the future or the past?
     
  15. thedope

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    Sorry, I didn't realize you were having a different conversation.

    No kidding. the mind is a kingdom you alone can rule. You may get the idea that I demand a certain view, I do not. I understand process and this process takes many forms. I think Jesus described plain physical phenomena using the vernacular that suited the information, i. e. invisible forces. Take for example, demons. Diseases that were once attributed to demonic possession are now recognized to be cause by chemical interactions. When I hear the words of Jesus I hear a physics lesson. His words delineate the energetic manifestations of the human psyche. The causes of why the world appears to us the way it does.
     
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    Until we apprehend that new wine goes in new skins we see only the past.
     
  17. thedope

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    I think he misses your company. I must say I find you a friendly voice.
     
  18. thedope

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    Are you really going to keep me in the dark?
     
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    If you are thedope, are you drunk? I know that your spiritualism always claimed the souls of the past still await the souls of the future. May it be that bible can tell us the full allotment in Heaven.

    I believe that is the one which shows redemption still to come.:eek:
     
  20. thedope

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    If you mean by suiting of the so called sacraments, that which conforms to what we look for or that which makes us comfortable, I would agree.

    For my part, ritual practice is the most stupefying deadness.
     

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