As above so below

There you go again, just making it up as you go along.

 

Where did he say he was giving up a life he preferred to keep? And now we are down to "I don't think so" and this is ultimately what it comes down to, because the weight of the words of Jesus pointed against sacrifice.
The pay for play or money changers perspective calls what Jesus did sacrifice.
The heavenly perspective is that he laid aside the boundary that appeared to separate him from the Sonship. While he was in a body he was alone in a body, and when he shed the perishable body he is resurrected in the whole body of the spirit of man. He must go that the Comforter may come. How can the mind that is in Christ be in us also if that mind is stuck in someones head. The cherished body is a treasure laid up on earth, corruptible. Christ inhabits the living tissue of your brain. The Sonship is one mind cast over all humanity as the sun shines upon the earth. That is why Jesus tells us, in all that you do, remember me. To remember is to bring the members together.

 

I already pointed where he said that he was going to do something he didn't want to do but you trivialized it.

I said "I don't think so" to your statement; "In the sense that he choose a better thing, you could say he sacrificed. In the sense that he gave up something he preferred to keep, he did not", not about what Jesus said.

Also none of the Scriptures you cited showed that what Jesus did was not a sacrifice.

No, the whole Bible and thus God, calls what Jesus did a sacrifice.

Nothing ever was a boundary to the sonship of Jesus Christ.

He was not resurrected in the "spirit of man", after his resurrection he returned to being a heavenly Spirit Creature.

Yes.

Easy. First, it is not, as you say, stuck in someone's head and second, one can have the mind of Christ, if his thoughts agree with the Christ's thoughts.

Cherished body?

Where do you came up with this stuff?

Jesus does want his disciples to draw closer together.

 

You could say that and I could say you give that single comment a spin that reflects you own sentiment on the issue. You cannot comprehend that the body is not something that Jesus preferred to keep.

I fully comprehended what you said and what I said is true. In regards to that particular statement, take this cup from me, is about the pain and suffering involved. He wanted nothing more than for this to happen.

They show that the undoing of the body is part or the restoration of the whole spirit.

The boundary is not his but ours. The boundary being the perception of the body. Further this boundary exists for us in the respect that Jesus is perceived as a man to be worshiped. He who believes in me believes not in me but he who sent me.

Heavenly Spirit creature, ok.

Yes, If you want for the life of your body you have invested yourself in treasure that moth and rust doth corrupt and destroy.

The Holy Spirit will teach you all things.

And I will draw all men unto myself. Yes, the flock is scattered, we regard each other with suspicion at best to viciousness at worst.

 

You'd be surprised what I can comprehend, what you seem to be having problems comprehending is Jesus' sacrifice.

Accept for when you make direct quotes from the Bible, very little of what you say is true.

You have no clue what the cup was about or what he wanted.

No, they don't because the undoing of the body has nothing to do with the restoration of the whole spirit.

Where did you get this idea that there is something wrong with the human body?

So, somehow you seem to believe that there is something wrong with the body God gave us.

Too bad it's not teaching you anything.

You, pretending to be the Christ again?

Neither, I just regard you as mislead.

 

I comprehend he had a singular devotion to his father and the Sonship.

Even then, you say I mis-translate

Actually, I know quite well.

I didn't say there was something wrong with the human body. The human body is a communication device.

No, it is neither good nor bad, it has no value other than for communication.

Gives me patience for you.

The mind that is in Christ is in me also. I am not pretending to anything. Further it is a quote attributed to Jesus which I used in response to your comment.

You have not regarded me at all.

 

Truly truly I say to you unless a grain of wheat falls to the earth and dies, it remains alone, but if it dies it bears much fruit.

 

I did not say anything about his "devotion to his father and the Sonship", I said you don't comprehend his sacrifice.

Once again, I have NEVER said you mistranslate, I have though said many times that you take out of context and misuse the scriptures.

If you truly believe, "In regards to that particular statement, take this cup from me, is about the pain and suffering involved", then you don't know at all.

After that God saw everything he had made and, look! [it was] very good. (Genesis 1:31)

Once again, it seems you call God a Liar.

Well it looks like the "spirit" you have is good for something, 'cause it sure doesn't seem to be helping you to understand the Bible.

So you don't deny that you believe yourself to be the Christ or at least a Christ?

Now you know that's not true, I'm one of the few that have spent a lot of time with you. One of the most valuable things you can give someone is your time.

 

And I tell you Jesus displayed mercy, not sacrifice.
I have actually been in the throws of the belief in the "sacrifice". It left me with a maudlin sentiment for some promise of future glory.
I was a guest at a bible study where one of the participants was caught up in the throws of an emotional imagination regarding Jesus' sacrifice, proclaiming, halleluiah praise God ,blood of Jesus, blood of Jesus. Well, for your sake, as well as his, thank God Jesus is dead. The lesson of Jesus' gift to us is that the death of the body has no power over life.

I will avoid the English lesson at this juncture and quote mamaKCita:
tomato, tomahto

I would point out that God created man in his own image and likeness both male and female. "In the beginning it was not so, we were as the angles.
God did not create the body for us. That we are born of a body is part of mans dream of separation.

It doesn't matter what I say but only what you say or believe, but what I have said is, I am a disciple of Christ.

You know waterbrother I have commented on your graciousness with me, at the same time you haven't offered me much in the way of trust. I understand that what I say sounds strange to you.

 

Jesus did both.

Since your saying that Jesus did not provide a sacrifice, disagrees with everything the Bible says on the subject, I think I'll go with what God and the Bible say on the subject.

Good, I really didn't feel like giving you another English lesson.

God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul. (Genesis 2:7)

Again you disagree with the Bible.

Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness. (Matthew 7:22-23)

So calling oneself a disciple of Christ" is meaningless unless Jesus thinks so too.

What you say to me sounds strange because it bears no resemblance to what the Bible says.

As for trust, when you say something I'm "carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so", the trouble is after carefully examining the Scriptures, I find that what you are saying is just not so.

 

I think I'll go with what Jesus said on the subject

And this description is different from the original description. As I have described before there are several dramatic demarcations in the bible, points of departure if you will. The story of the fall and post fall events is such a departure.
Remember, from the beginning it was not always so and we were as the angels.
So no, I do not disagree with the bible. A deep slumber fell over Adam and nowhere does it say he woke up.

You asked me. I told you it did not matter what I say. However in your estimation, only what you say or believe matters. By your words you are justified.

The Sabbath was created for man, not man for the sabbath. The Holy spirit will teach you all things, including the meaning of scripture, if you ask.

 

I think I'll go with what God and the entire Bible say on the subject.

Original description? They are both the original description, the second one just goes into more detail.

No, there aren't departures. God gives us more details of what happened and suddenly it's a departure?

No, we were not as angels.

How many times to I have to point out to you that you disagree with the Bible before you wake up?

So every thing after that is just Adam's dream, including us and Jesus?

No, you are the one that seems to think you are justified by your words, myself I don't feel the need to make up a new religion, what God says in his word the Bible is good enough for me.

Why yes it was.

Yes it does, you should try it some time.

 

They are of entirely different details in the creation of man.

No not suddenly there are departures. There are literary departures such as books attributed to Moses, old testament, new testament, the gospels, the acts of the apostles, revelation.

In the beginning God created them male and female, not man and woman. No one ascends who has not first descended.

The dream is that you had usurped the power of God and had thus separated yourself from God.

We are all justified as well as condemned by our words.

I just told you I did. Are you calling me a liar? Do you ask the Holy Spirit to teach you what anything means?

 

So, you are saying the Bible doesn't agree with itself? And I suppose you believe the Holy Spirit taught you that?

:smilielol5:

The actual quote is; "Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man." and is talking about Jesus, not mankind in general. (John 3:13)

This is making no sense at all, either Able woke up or he didn't. Either everything that is happening is his dream or nothing is.

Then why did you imply that it was only me?

No, I have called you mislead, there is a difference.

No, I do don't ask the Holy Spirit to teach me "anything" means, I ask it to teach me what the Bible means, what God's will is and to help me do that will.

 

Cheese burgers are not evil. That is an insult to cattle and the whole fast food industry and all the families including innocent little children whom they support and therefore an insult to all of Nature. It is the attachment to cheese burgers that is evil. Evil is the turning away from "God."

p.s. I'm a vegetarian but it's not a judgmental thing. To each his own.

 

No I'm not saying the bible disagrees with itself, and the Holy spirit does not find me in disagreement with the bible. The Holy spirit shows me to interpret in a particular way. All that I say is shown by the Holy spirit for a reason. Like I say waterbrother the well have no need of a physician. The Holy spirit may not reason with you in the same way, but there are those that are greatly assisted by the information that is being provided.

You make this distinction but the quote is "no man"

Nothing happens in dreams, only in reality. He was a liar from the beginning and none of what he said actually occurred. Instead we are given hypnotic suggestion from a seductive voice.

I didn't or did not intend to imply it was only you, I'm sorry if that appeared to be the case.

Mislead by what, the Holy spirit.

If the Holy spirit shows you these things then those are the things that are right for you to see. The Holy spirit does not do things that increase fear.
We are all given the capacity to heal in Jesus' name. That miraculous healing does not occur, can be attributed to the fact that to observe a miracle can so fundamentally challenge our world view as to cause great anxiety.

 

Okay how do you know that what is "teaching" you is the Holy Spirit? I know you don't believe in Satan being a person but the Bible says he is turning himself into an angels of light, so how do you know that it is not Satan that is telling you these things?

I make no distinction, I merely say that it is talking about what it says it is talking about, Jesus the Son of man. It is you that make the distinctions that the scripture does not make.

Done of which the Bible supports.

Okay, it is forgotten.

No one is mislead by the Holy Spirit, that is why I question whether you are lead by the Holy Spirit or not.

Okay

(Proverbs 1:7) The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of knowledge.
(Job 28:28) Look! The fear of Jehovah—that is wisdom, And to turn away from bad is understanding.
(Psalm 111:10) The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom.
(Proverbs 9:10) The fear of Jehovah is the start of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Most Holy One is what understanding is.

Spiritually, yes.

That miraculous healing does not occur can be attributed to many things.

 

I call upon the Holy spirit not Satan.

Actually it does. He was a liar from the beginning. Jesus of Nazareth.

You have no reason to question.

I stand by the statement that the Holy spirit will do nothing to increase fear. Fear is the opposite of love. God is love. The Holy spirit is our link to God.
Fear of Jehovah could be stated as respect for the reality and power of God.

Very well, one of which is as I mention.

 

Very good but since the "spirit" that has answered you is leading you away from the God and the Bible, once again how do you know it's the Holy Spirit?

Are you saying Jesus was a liar?

As I have repeatedly pointed out there are many reasons to question.

You can stand by it all you want but the end result is what you stand by disagrees with the Bible.

You can state anything you want but the truth is the Bible clearly states the "The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom".

 

I told you the answer is always some form of peace.

Jesus said he was a liar from the beginning, that is the serpent. It appears if you hear a verse that is not accompanied with book chapter and verse you don't recognize it. That is probably not always true but it does appear that way.

I understand that you feel I disagree with your interpretations.

The bible clearly states that Jesus refers to himself as the son of man, is Jesus the son of God or the son of man? You really should take these statements within the whole context of the bible.