As above so below

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  1. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    I would say this sacrifice:
    (1 Corinthians 5:7) . . .For, indeed, Christ our passover has been sacrificed.. . .

    (Ephesians 5:1-2) . . .Therefore, become imitators of God, as beloved children, and go on walking in love, just as the Christ also loved YOU and delivered himself up for YOU as an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling odor.

    (Hebrews 2:17) Consequently he was obliged to become like his “brothers” in all respects, that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, in order to offer propitiatory sacrifice for the sins of the people.

    (Hebrews 7:27) He does not need daily, as those high priests do, to offer up sacrifices, first for his own sins and then for those of the people: (for this he did once for all time when he offered himself up)

    (Hebrews 9:26-28) Otherwise, he would have to suffer often from the founding of the world. But now he has manifested himself once for all time at the conclusion of the systems of things to put sin away through the sacrifice of himself. And as it is reserved for men to die once for all time, but after this a judgment, so also the Christ was offered once for all time to bear the sins of many;. . .

    (1 John 2:1-2) . . .if anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one. And he is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only but also for the whole world’s.

    (1 John 4:10) The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent forth his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.
     
  2. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Why should I explain it when the Bible does it for us?

    (Hebrews 10:1-39)
     
  3. thedope

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    This is why the ego is sometimes referred to as a false sense of self. The ego as we are taught to use it is a fearful thought. The ego sees the body as it's home, alone and separate from all other individuals. The body is the ego's "proof" of our frailty. Call no man your father. The body is common genetic stock, it belongs to the species. You are not your body, we are energy focused on form of body. You are not male or female. Sexual dimorphism is a reproductive strategy of the species, you are not your body but energy focused on form of body.
     
  4. thedope

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    Where did Jesus say he sacrificed any thing?
     
  5. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    Wow, yea. That's a powerful thought! Thanks for enlightening :)
     
  6. thedope

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    Because I asked it of you, pretty please, in your own words? You give them something to eat.
     
  7. OlderWaterBrother

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    Perhaps, perhaps not but the Bible says that we should be "always ready to make a defense" for what we believe.
    Really? I thought it did a pretty good job.
    Okay let's look at what word was used.

    (Matthew 22:37-40) . . .“‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ This is the greatest and first commandment. The second, like it, is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”

    Both words are agapao which is from the root word agape, so agape is the "relevant" word.
     
  8. OlderWaterBrother

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    And I gave you my answer, please read it at Hebrews 10:1-39.
     
  9. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    what good is a diciplined love ? it's a materialistic notion . it is love objectified . it produces those little pamphlets . it doesn't respond all that well to the wild will of god . thus , it determines . it pretends authority and self-justifies hell on earth .

    oh , well , heaven on earth will happen anyway .
     
  10. OlderWaterBrother

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    All scripture is inspired of God, I can't help it if you don't want to listen to what God says about it.
     
  11. thedope

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    You give me an answer written in the bible, I read it. I still haven't heard you say anything on the subject. I cannot interpret what you quote with your mind. This quote does not explain to me your understanding.
     
  12. thedope

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    I asked you a question.
     
  13. neodude1212

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    My feeling is that you protest too much.
     
  14. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    He may just be eliminating confusion for the sake of truth.
     
  15. thedope

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    How much do you love? I cannot support the illusions that present us with false choices. Confused people are dangerous. The mind is extremely powerful.
     
  16. thedope

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    The measure you give is the measure you get. If you defend yourself you are attacked. Belief does require defense to uphold. Belief is a symbol chosen to represent an "unknown variable". Belief offers no object. Faith on the other hand, demonstrates truth.
     
  17. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    People are all to often caught up on how something sits with their own morals. They go through life tripping over their own morality every time truth presents itself. And at the risk of sounding religiously insenstive, in those who do hold religious beliefs as taught by the book of their choice, truth and clarity most always take a back seat to justice and the drive to have it served in the named of god. Confused people are extremely dangerous. Influencial people who do not seek truth are even more dangerous- remember mid twentieth century Germany? But all too often the teachings of god do not hold truth in the highest esteem- they focus more on the gifts believers will receive, the wrath non-believers will suffer, and the balancing of the scales of justice each religious individual should be personally accountable for swaying in the right direction. This creates a mass of justice hungry, most often self-richeous (not in every case of course) people who seek justice and faith over truth and knowledge.
     
  18. thedope

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    Or comfort as opposed to love. Some are simply satisfied with a vernacular that makes them feel better. The truth can cause some discomfort to the dark adjusted eye.
     
  19. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    That's a fantastic metaphor

    Yes, you're absolutely right. I personally have badgered people close to me about their religious beliefs to see how deep they really run. I've had several actually admit after a good long conversation that they believe and have faith because they're scared of the thought of death without heaven afterwards. Most all also admitted that they were scared of the thought of 'bad' people not being punished for their crimes against man or whoever they've sinned against.
     
  20. thedope

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    The eye is the lamp of the body. If the eye be sound, the whole body is full of light, but if the light in you be darkness, then how great the darkness.
     

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