As above so below

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  1. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    I figured as much.
    The trouble is when what you say is found wanting and you are asked about it, you obfuscate the matter.
    Well, one reason for that could be that you make up your own meanings for words.
    I already have, God is a noun and as such has no conjugations.
    As I pointed out the "attitude" is that "you have to try and prove that you are right" even if it is as silly as the improper use of the word conjugation.
    First, did I say I didn't love you? No.

    And second, when I said, I did even know you, I meant it to be humorous, something, it seems you know very little about.
    There several "litmus tests", if you will, for discipleship. The one tanasi pointed out was: By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves.” (John 13:35)

    Another one is: By their fruits YOU will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit; a good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire. Really, then, by their fruits YOU will recognize those [men]. (Matthew 7:16-20)

    And how about this one: Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU....(Matthew 28:19-20)

    Just to name a few.
     
  2. thedope

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    Do you love me waterbrother?

    I am actually demonstrably funny.
    Actually there are no litmus tests or conjugations required. I desire mercy not sacrifice.
    Yes, it is a command like the greatest, love God with all your heart, and likewise your neighbor as yourself. These things of themselves fulfill the whole law.

    The reason I was attracted to you in Oct. 2009 was around a discussion involving pedophiles and how you had found room in your heart to hate them and how it protects you from their influence. What vile fruit do you feel I set, if any?

    How many have you baptized in the name of the father the son and the holy spirit? I am not one of eleven, I am just one. I do sense a personal calling to share what I have.

    You are doing just fine. My faith does not leave me guessing. It is good that you talk about those things as you are led. I did not come to convert you. The well have no need of a physician, do they? I am to lend assistance to those who are in need.
     
  3. tikoo

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    nope , god is not a noun . a noun is a human contrivance . yet here in this medium of communication all you have are words . can a noun portray an honest feeling about experience ?

    "...just talk about what god wants of us ."

    earlier you wrote these words . will you speak toward this relating to yourself ? a concept of us could yet be another noun . i think we is vibrant and wild .
     
  4. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Of course, I have love for all.
    Really? You keep it well hid.
    Well, no conjugations anyway. :D
    It is not a command, if you look at the context, Jesus is not making it a command.
    Beg Your pardon. I have no idea what you are talking about. I never said I hate pedophiles. I hate what they do but I do not hate the person. (Jude 23)
    Several, why how many have you?
    Eleven? What eleven?
    I noticed.
    Thanks.
    Really?
    Thanks.
    No?
    No, they don't.
    Just don't forget, it is the Bible that is "beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
     
  5. thedope

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    Really, he was asked which commandment is the greatest. On these two commandments are based the law of the profits.
    I see how you read this waterbrother.
    Jesus said the prescribed method for dealing with those who offend is to first take it up personally with the person, if that doesn't work go before a small group of peers, if that doesn't work go before the whole congregation, and if that doesn't work then you shun them, simply keep away. Nowhere is hate part of this process. Hate does not protect you.
    exactly three
    The eleven he was speaking to.
    I would like to tell you about my bible waterbrother.
    On the front cover it has the words Holy Bible and in smaller letters under that is written concordance. On the spine is written Holy Bible, next, "helps", and next "red letter edition", then revised standard version, and Zondervan.
    The cover is very worn. Inside on the first page is a dedication, presented to johnny oliver by the paseo methodist church, keith J. berry, pastor, on nov. 19, 1967. I was ten years old and it was given to me to study in preparation for baptism which happened when I was age 12. This book is the only personal possession that I have kept over these years, everything else is long gone many times over. It is the only copy I have ever used. Yes the scriptures are "beneficial".
    Did you know that the King James was the only English language bible available for a period of over 200 years?
     
  6. thedope

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    Do you love me personally waterbrother?

    I noticed you have no problem telling me directly that I am wrong, but it seems that when speaking your love, we are met with all kinds of qualification, i. e. I was being humorous or, of course, I have love for all.
    Describe your love for all.
     
  7. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Yes on these two commandments, neither of which is "I desire mercy not sacrifice".
    One, this is not talking about a personal offense but about someone who has commits an serious offense against God.

    As for hate not protecting you, the Bible seems to recommend hate.
    (Amos 5:15) Hate what is bad, and love what is good,
    (Romans 12:9) Abhor what is wicked, cling to what is good.
    (Hebrews 1:9) You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness.
    (Proverbs 8:13) The fear of Jehovah means the hating of bad.
    Interesting.
    So then, you believe that the command to make disciple was only for those eleven?
    Again interesting.
    They are more than just "beneficial", they are able to help one to be "completely equipped for every good work".
    If only the King James version was available. What happened to these translations that were available before the King James?
    1384 AD: Wycliffe
    1535 AD: Myles Coverdale's Bible
    1537 AD: Tyndale-Matthews Bible
    1539 AD: The "Great Bible"
    1560 AD: The Geneva Bible
    1568 AD: The Bishops Bible
    1609 AD: The Douay Old Testament is added to the Rheims New Testament (of 1582)
    Making the First Complete English Catholic Bible; Translated from the Latin Vulgate (80 Books).
     
  8. thedope

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    The quote I desire mercy not sacrifice, was in reference to "litmus tests"

    Consider this. All sins are forgiven except blaspheme against the Holy spirit.
    There is no act that can redeem or condemn you. That which defiles a man is what comes out, his state of being.
    Apology not accepted.
    I do not believe anything about it. I said what I said.

    Manly yes, but I like it too. Beneficial and helpful, not, required.
    Excuse me, I misstated, It was the only "authorized" English language version. A distinction that arose from competition for popular usage with the Geneva bible. King James won out and for over two hundred years, no authorized translations of the bible were made.
     
  9. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    Does anyone else here like Jews?
     
  10. drew5147

    drew5147 Dingledodie

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    only if they give me their jewgold.
     
  11. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    you shouldn't use the term jewgold. It's impolite
     
  12. thedope

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    My "like" doesn't appear to be pinned down. Sometimes I like pancakes and sometimes I like waffles.
     
  13. thedope

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    Politics are unnecessary among friends.
     
  14. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    Me, I like sleepin, specially in my Molly's chamber
     
  15. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Your god then is good cheeseburgers?
     
  16. thedope

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    Dreaming?
     
  17. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    dreaming of whiskey in my jar
     
  18. thedope

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    I prefer in general to drink whiskey.
     
  19. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    me too. What kind?
     
  20. thedope

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    General is generic.
     

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