Arguement for the existance of a deity

deoxyribonucleic acid

Occam

 

huh?

 

is dna eternal?

 

tha explains the existance of biology, but are you saing you hsve dna evidence that a diety was in your room last night?

 

is there a supernatural gene thats inactive in us mere mortals? if so, would it be possible to activate that gene sequence to create a race of sipernatural godmen?

 

Hippygirl

Eternity/Infinity is a mathematical concept.
If mater itself has a lifespan
Then what supports the idea that ANYTHING is eternal?

So if eternity is an unproven concept. [a theory]
It cannot be used as a qualifier in the proposition that dna
is evidence of a deity [another theory]

Occam

 

Occam,


Why deoxyribonucleic acid ? Because of the apparent complexity and apparent "fantastic" articulation with which it is structured ?

Natural23

 

ok.
so dna is proof of a deity because - it is our basis.
what created dna? i don't follow.

 

Eagle

It's part of biology,, biologic systems can exist without dna.

No,, was one?

Occam

 

does god have dna & did you find fossilized dna evidence of god? & if so can we use it the way they did in jurasic park to create an island of gods & open a theme park?

godland..we'd have a god of every speciaes, in seperate cages, please dont feed the jesus signs everywhere, i guess it might be hard to keep kids from throwing things at the funny looking gods like krishna..but all in all it would be an interesting & educational experience & we'd get rich off it (yes the money gods would have theyre golden cage too)

 

oh yea? since when? give an example

 

"Eternity/Infinity is a mathematical concept.
If mater itself has a lifespan
Then what supports the idea that ANYTHING is eternal?"

Interesting that you are using the very concept, "eternity," in posing your question, so let us assume that "eternity" is a concept that is unproven, as you proceed to pose. Obviously we agree that eternity exists, at least, as a concept; how does this concept form and is mathematical proof or its equivalent a sufficient form of proof since it would take quite a bit more than a lot of time to measure this "eternity" that we speak of ? Could it be that all concepts are ultimately firmly rooted in intuition and that we humans are at point in our evolution where we have little recognition of this at least in terms of effectively using this "realization" and associated concepts in our reasoning process ?

"So if eternity is an unproven concept. [a theory]
It cannot be used as a qualifier in the proposition that dna
is evidence of a deity [another theory]"

Nor could it be used as a qualifier for any valid argument that depends on its validity as you have posed it ?

Peace,

Natural23

 

i still have no clue what dna has to do with proof of the existance of adiety...come on, ya gotta give us allittle more to go on..whats your point?... ho hum..i'm already getting bored with this thread..its going nowhere

 

Natural

"fantastic" is an understatement.
And the near limmitless abillity of that fantastic articulation
to produce macrostructures that support the continued existance
of the dna itself.

Conceptualised as a computer programe, an analogue of the human dna strand could not be written by humanity. We are not nearly smart enough.

Is there a deity?
[opinion]
Occam proposes dna as 'indicative evidence' that there is 'direction'
Just as the works of shakespeare 'were not" writen by a million monkeys sitting at typewriters for a million years. But by shakespeare
So the complexity apparent in reality results from a desire for it to exist.
Achieved not by crude 'creation ex nihilo' if such is even possible.
But by manipulation of of mater and objective law.

Occam

PS. The prophets of random chance use that monkey one..
That a million monkeys sitting at a million typewriters for a million years
would produce he works of the bard.
Rubbish.
Chance does not collate fragments in meaningfull order.
One monkey ONLY can be used.
How long would it take ONE monkey, randomly tapping away..
to produce exactly the collected works of the bard?
Longer than the known age of the universe

 

Natural

The concept of eternity has no part in occams arguement

Occam proposes that the complexity of dna, and that of structured reality that underpins it.
IS basis for a valid arguement to support the concept of direction behind that complexity.

Occam

 

The biologic system that dna came from.
Or did it just spring into being outside of a biological system?
living protozoa [?] came first.. not dna

occam

 

occam isnt it annoying when occam reffers to occam as occam?

do a search for dna, & you'll find many pages explaining how the chemical components combined to form dna strains your logic is faulty, since varios chemicals conbine easily & naturaly to form more complex chemicals each peice fitting together perfectly to dorm the dna strands
dna is simply a collection of molecules whose properties cause it to form the double helix that is the building block for life
so, is your argument that this deity was in fact a mad chemist who had a hand in this?

 

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protazoa have dna..guess again.. dna is achemical combination dna strands combined to form the first cells.. are you saying then that dna is the deity?
if so, i'd say yes & no, cause theres no real need to give it the title of deity, it just is what it is

 

Occam,


I believe that your intuition is far beyond your argument and may actually contain the elements of great insight but I have to concur with Eagle. Eagle is correct when he alludes to pre-biotic cells and to the amino acids being able to formed by chemical reaction alone. Refer to Stanley Miller's 1953 experiment.


Peace,

David
23

 

Eagle,


Did you ever see the old Star Trek episode entitled "Nomad" ? About a highly sophisticated "probe" or robot that would travel the galaxies finding, analyzing,
replicating (then destroying the original) lifeforms and civilizations; it would store its replications in a 'corner' of some galaxy as I recall ? Amazing old Star Trek.


Peace,

David