Are we witnessing the collapse of America?

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  1. odonII

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    Judging by the pictures shortly after. There was a lot of damage.



    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b66_1311200020

    The gentleman was there to investigate the incident - so obviously covered more of the building than this woman would have.
    She might have exited the building through the blackened area to the left or right.
    I doubt she crawled out of the rubble in the middle.

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    They wouldn't.

    People have books to sell.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0vxc50xAbk"]9/11 Pentagon Attack Eyewitness Mike Walter - YouTube


    If you dig around you might find that even my 'expert' has had a few of his claims questioned.

    I don't believe the woman saw any plane - because she clearly has a particular opinion that precludes she see's one. That doesn't mean there wasn't one.
    I don't believe the newscaster was where he said he was or saw everything he said he did - it could have been a combination of accounts or exaggerated claims after the fact. That doesn't mean he didn't see an aeroplane.
    I don't think my guy found everything he said he did (there is accounts others found the 'black box') That doesn't mean he didn't see lots of wreckage.
     
  2. Still Kicking

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    Obviously you are bound and determined to believe the governments version of all this so it is pointless to discuss it further.
    Thanks for the chat, have a nice day.
     
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    Thanks for adding a few more details. Have a nice day/night.
     
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    Odon, you were trying to misrepresent my position, and then when called on it, you resort to the infantile response of "I didn't say you did; I said don't say that."

    Anyway, is it still your position that the landing gear travelled right through the building without being stopped by the core-structure and cement floors?

    Odon, don't say the landing gear travelled right through the building without being stopped. Give me a detailed account of how that occurred.
     
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    You don't seem to understand that when three buildings go down in an obviously controlled manner, and you say something like, "Well hell no it didn't look like controlled demolition," people are bound to recognize your agenda. Don't you worry about that?
     
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    I said that because it was true.

    I/we have gone through lots of things at length. I don't think it is unfair to ask how else something could have happened if you have continually said it was a CD and seemingly implied that there were no planes.

    Landing gears were found outside of the buildings. They got there somehow.
    How? Well, they are not particularly thick but are heavy. I think it is quite feasible they could have pierced the remaining core structure given they were travelling at 5-600 miles and hour and the core isn't a block of solid concrete.
    But, I have no idea.

    I've said elsewhere and I'll say it again:
    Yes, It does look like the buildings collapsed in a controlled manner.
    However, I don't think they were brought down in a controlled demolition.
    I might accept that it might have been if two whopping great big aeroplanes didn't hit, and the buildings didn't collapse where those planes hit.
     
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    Let me try this: You said before that what looked like a nose-cone coming out of WTC 2 was simply a moment frozen in time--that it was the beginning of a fireball. If that is true, then when exactly did this landing gear exit the building? Did you know that each floor consisted of four or five inches of concrete poured onto a one and a half inch thick steel floor-plating?
     
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    That's obvious.
     
  9. storch

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    Do tell . . .
     
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    Shortly after the plane hit. 3-5 seconds after. Somebody didn't throw it out 10 minutes later.

    Still waiting.
     
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    Shortly after the plane hit, the landing gear somehow gained propulsion and enough momentum to exit the building. I see!
     
  12. odonII

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    Still waiting.
     
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    You can wait as long as you wish, but your claim that landing gear not only magically gained propulsion, but gained enough propulsion and momentum to exit the building is not going to be any more believable.

    Three to five seconds, you say?
     
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    Three to five seconds? Seriously?
     
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    ...

    Still waiting.
     
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    You time it

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iGYVh7HZo8"]Unseen 9/11 Footage of Second Plane Hitting Tower - YouTube

    ...still waiting.
     
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    If you have no idea how it got there, is it wise to theorize that since you don't see it exiting the building (ball of fire, remember) when it should have, that it happened three to five seconds later? What was it that propelled them?
     
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    Sorry, Odon, I didn't see any landing gear. Got anything a little more up close so that you can see what that shit is?
     
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    Two things wrong here: I have mentioned debris more than once.
    I never said 3-5 seconds after the fireball. I said 3-5 seconds after the plane hit.

    Do you see all the debris flying out? It could have been any one of those.

    Still waiting.
     
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    Nope.
     
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