Are we witnessing the collapse of America?

I'm nearly positive the WTC was a false flag attack. Just an opinion though. I just watched numerous buildings fall, and none of them were so perfect or theatrical.

Looking back it all looks so fake. How do buildings free fall? That's very bizarre..

I'm not an extremest in this situation. I would just like to see a new investigation, not done by the federal government.

 

Orchestrated by the National Guard?

 

They don't all 'free fall'.

 

No, I would actually say the CIA and the Bush Administration. Of course I can't prove that, but there a lot of proof that Bush knew more than he let off.

 

Bad joke. Sorry. What proof is there he knew something would occur on September 11, 2001?

 

Well, a few things. He had connections with the Bin Laden family, the Federal Government used tax payer money to send 23 member of the Bin Laden family home after 9/11. He knew maybe a year in advance that Bin Laden might try something involving airplanes, but Bush lowered the amount of spending going to terrorism despite these facts. There have also been CIA agents coming cleans and saying "We knew months before 9/11, that we would go into war with Iraq, Afghanistan and eventually Iran." So it really was a landgrab of precious oil, opium and, natural resources, at the expense of the American people.

And a strange coincidence... ever notice Bush is and oil man? I don't know too much about the logistics of the conspiracies. It just seems obvious in this circumstance.

If I were you, I'd be questioning Tony Blair on the events of 7/7/2005...

 

The Bin Laden family that are totally innocent and have no links to terrorism at all??

and?

So had no idea something would occur on September 11, 2001?
Just a general terrorist threat that might or might not happen at some point in the future?
Don't they always know that?

I don't think the US controls the oil. I think they have more than enough themselves. I think there has been a reduction in imported oil.

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=434000&page=8

What for?

 

They have links with oil in Saudi Arabia, and the Bush Family. Their "Problem child" Osama, "hated America." Yet, we were supporting Al Qaeda and giving them guns and money, when they were against the Soviets. So in other words, our meddling in the affairs of the middle east has created our alleged enemies. That is to say, Our government invented this problem.

Is lowering funds for terrorism in said situation, justifiable? Some of those planes flew over 9 hours before hitting their target, where the fuck were our AA guns, to shoot those planes down? The largest military power in the world, virtually powerless against Muslims with box cutters? Who's the conspiracy theorist here? Btw they never found those black boxes. Ask a professional how often they find the black boxes. "Almost always. 99.999%"(The WTC being nearly the only time they weren't recovered.)

Also many of the "dead hijackers" ended up being alive still! All I want to see is a secondary investigation, One which is accurate and tells the truth. (Unlike the 9/11 commission report.) Then, if they're lying about the official story, see WHY they're lying. I can't "prove" anything, if I could I would either be a hero or the most hated man in America.

Obviously, some people find it "unpatriotic," to question the government. But, you there in England perhaps haven't heard that, "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."-Thomas Jefferson-

 

And? What's that have to do with Iraqi oil?

You mean the Mujahadeen not Al Qaeda, surely.
Whom fought anybody and everybody, including themselves (civil war).
The Mujahadeen that have been around for hundreds of years.

There is a very large difference between knowing something is going to happen/saying: "He knew maybe a year in advance that Bin Laden might try something involving airplanes." and a perceived reduction in funding - a perception I think is false.

I personally think you have to set out what you think and have that tested. Hardly anybody does. How accurate would the average Joe's 'report' be?
Clearly many people will not be satisfied unless a report states: 'Bush knew everything and did it to invade Iraq to steal it's oil'. Anything else is a 'whitewash'. The nist report - from what I have read - beats a lot of the Conspiracy Theories hands down. Holographic aeroplanes? Really?

 

That's not true. It's just little things that make me curious about it. I've seen independent documentaries, interview the Pentagon police who were there on 9/11 and their story was different than the official story. Then they were told they weren't allowed to talk about it. Why are there so many stories surrounding 9/11 like this??

 

What was different?
The entire 'Pentagon Police' have a completely different story than the 'official story' or one or two of them have different recollections of the day?

 

They all identified the plane coming from the right side of the navy annex building and gas station but the official story ignored everyone, and said the plane was coming from the left, I believe the south side. But it wasn't.

There are other examples too but I'm not gonna sit here and list the lies. I could post some links to documentaries. But that's about it.

A majority of family members of those lost on 9/11 believe the government wasn't being completely honest with them. Also, at one point in this country, 90% of people believed Bush had something to do with 9/11. So I don't really need to defend my views. I just feel it.

 

The supposed crash at the Pentagon is another curious story, where exactly did the plane go, and why weren't there any pieces of it recovered?
Just curious since all these things happened so close to one another, and I keep getting these little niggling thoughts in my mind that things aren't adding up.

 

There's even a women who escaped through the gaping hole, and said she saw no plane, or any parts that resembled a plane.

 

"Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window"
"I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building"

The only mentions of 'right' I could find : /

Yeah, sure, go for it.

 

Flight 77 Debris
CLAIM: Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. "In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found," claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, "What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?"

FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

http://www.southerncrossreview.org/41/9-11.htm

There is some pictures too.

 

Iraq was flooding the market keeping prices low. Remember in the 90's and before 9/11 oil was around 30 a barrel.

no loose lips around. Wouldnt we want to detain and question the family?

EXACTLY! Tight supply! The oil is under control now.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980s_oil_glut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vW3MiQVc08"]Bin Laden's Family Flight after 911 FBI Records Released6-21 - YouTube

That makes no sense.

 

"Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at PurdueUniversity. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."
The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide--not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage."

The above from your website odon. Funny, how come the plane in this case "liquified" and did not leave much of a hole,why didn't it do as much damage as the other two supposedly did?

StpLSD25 states that a woman "escaped through the hole and saw no plane" and while it would be good to see a transcript of what she saw, why believe one person and not another? Because one was an "expert", and the other possibly was not? We also have to believe that anyone who is hired by the feds to do any sort of work is most definitely not going to go against the party line, or they will find themselves never working in that town again. So, for me, the "expert" is immediately suspect due to his ties to the feds. I would have to see some documentation of how the Pentagon was built in order to form a better opinion, but, in this case as in the WTC buildings, there are too many things that don't add up to me to believe the official version of what happened.

"Though dozens of witnesses saw a Boeing 757 hit the building, conspiracy advocates insist there is evidence that a missile or a different type of plane smashed into the Pentagon."
How would they know it was a Boeing 757, if it was traveling at 5-600MPH as has been claimed? Were they all so expert in planes that they could tell what model it was in the short time they would have been able to observe it?

Again, we are talking opinions here, and mine differs from yours. You can argue the official version all you like, but given the shady nature of the people we had and still have in government, I just refuse to believe the official version of events, since the videos I have seen of them tell me a different story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln97NJV44xs&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTJehfQkuyE&feature=related
Notice that the street lights are still standing in the supposed path the plane took. Look at other plane crashes, there is always a lot of debris left. If we are to believe the damage exerted to the WTC buildings, when the two planes hit them, then we should see similar damage to the Pentagon, it should have blown out more of the building just from the impact, let alone the explosion.
Notice the second video I linked to above has "expert" opinion also, from people who purportedly have knowledge of these things.