Are vegetarians 'healthier' than meat eaters?

Ohb yeah, I misread what ya said. You're completly right.

Most large herbivorous animals have several stomachs so they can better digest only plant material.

We don't have that, so eating meat is easier for us.

 

Yeah, I don't get this "meat rots in your intestines and creates toxic gases" arguement I have read all over these forums. Personally I get gas from eating veggies...."Beano" drops are made of the enzime we as humans LACK to digest plant material.

 

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I think meat-eaters are healthier because if we need a good balance we could always eat the veggitarian.

 

lol
its true we evolved from species who ate raw meat and plants
and needed sharp dangerous teeth not only to rip fiber but to defend the tribe
We also have very long digestive tracts characteristic in all vegetarian species. Predators have tiny little digestive tracts that are full of uber flesh digesting acid in levels not present in our body.
LoL
Discovering exactly what works best is too personal. It seems to me to be the same as trying to convince Islamic Religion into Westernizing.

The real question is ya wizeasses what do u really need u cant eassily obtain from a vegetarian meal? Probably half the people who post about health would still eat flesh even if they knew it provided no dietary advantage(*rhetorical situation)

 

herbuh knows

 

Whether or not fish is "meat," it is quite definitely animal, and as such that puts it outside the realm of "vegetarian," whether you want to believe so or not.


I think that TenCentArcade and Sooty were on the mark in the first few responses. I really need not add to what they said. Balance and moderation are the keys. Vegetarians can have crappy, inadequate nutrition the same as omnivores. I think it is well-known that it is easier to come by the nutrition you need if you include at least some animal flesh in your diet.

-Jeffrey

 

Unicorn is meat.
Expensive as hell,
but deeee-fuckin'-licious!!

-Jeffrey

 

if by nutrition you mean cholesterol, saturated fat, growth hormones, antibiotics and pesticides, well then yeah.....

 

Unicorn huh, hopefully someday i'll get to try it. should i start saving up now?

 

not all meat contains growth hormones antibiotics and pesticides..... what about the meat that I shoot out in the woods and eat? That sure as fuck wasn't injected with growth hormones and antibiotics...... has everyone gone soft?

 

So, you're a vegetarian? How about pesticides, chemical fertilizers, salmonella...


If you want to respond to me, "But I can get organic vegetables that don't have that stuff," why would you pretend as though meat-eaters can't do the same, unless you are realizing that your position is intellectually and factually bankrupt?

We can buy organic (safer) lean beef just like you can get organic (safer) vegetables.

Besides, let's not pretend that if a person eats beef, that's all he eats. I don't necessarily eat a big fatty steak every meal, or even every day. I eat plenty of vegetables. (At this moment, I am digesting some broccoli, tomatoes and cauliflower!)

You are doing the typical vegetarian thing, seeing everything as absolutes.
You wonder why people give vegetarians so much shit? It's because of this supercilious attitude they display about how omnivores are going to go to nutritional hell for eating any amount of meat. It's about the disingenuous way they imply that meat eaters must eat a diet that is 95% meat and 5% vegetable. It's a peurile strawman argument.

-Jeffrey

 

Your alternative would be to head out to the bush and hunt yourself some free-range unicorn...

but you might be out there a while.

-Jeffrey

 

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Eliminating fat from our diets can cause a halt in our hormone production, which in turn, causes cell abnormalities. When cell abnormalities develop, we are most prone to disease. Fat deprivation disrupts all the biochemical processes of your metabolism. Essential fatty acids supplied by fats cannot be manufactured by our bodies on their own.

If we do not eat cholesterol, our body will produce it’s own by converting the carbohydrates we eat into cholesterol. Insulin plays a big part in this role. Insulin activates an enzyme in your liver called HMG CO-A Reductase, which causes your liver to overproduce cholesterol from the carbohydrate intake. When insulin levels are high, the liver produces even more. It is the internal production of cholesterol that contributes to the formation of damaging artery plaque that can lead to a heart attack or stroke.

 

how bout them huh? their somethin else if you ask me, and i do eat what organic stuff i can, tostilla chips, soups, etc... fruits and veggies are lacking though, but hey at least there isnt any bad energy in them from the cruelty and un naturalness of how they were raised and it is probably not far from the truth to say that someone who eats all vegetables and fruits is a lot healthier than someone who eats all beef. someone on here raised a really interesting point the other day arguing we are meant to eat plants, if you cut a brocolli head does it not grow back? if you cut a chicken head it runs around till it dies...

i just disagree that its 'well known you get most of the nutrients you need through animal flesh'
if thats so, why are there no ingredients or nutrional facts on the beef at the stores and only warnings about bacteria and cooking the meat on a high enough temperature?

 

See, this is the problem I have with vegetarians. They think that they know what should be done by everyone, not just themselves. If a person wants to be vegetarian, fine, because the only thing that's riding on it is your health.

I don't mean to single you out, hon. This is meant in general. But I have to wonder just what has to happen or become evident before a parent says, "Gee, my kid 'isn't doing well' on this vegetarian diet," before they start feeding the kid a BALANCED diet which includes the meats and fats that the kid REQUIRES in order to be healthy.

Does the kid look sallow? Are his eyes sunken? Does he break bones too easily? Does he bruise? Do his scabs take a long time to heal over? What is meant by "he didn't do well"? How much physiological/developmental damage is done by the time it becomes apparent that the vegetarian diet is not serving the needs of the young child??

-Jeffrey

 

Yes, well, find me any person who eats meat -- and ONLY MEAT -- and we can begin to have a rational discussion. We are not talking about the divide between people who eat only fruits and vegetables, and people who eat ONLY MEAT. There is probably NO ONE who eats ONLY MEAT.

Some of the most specious reasoning comes from people like vegetarians desperate to justify their lifestyle choice.

So what if a chicken doesn't grow a new head but a broccoli does. DOES a broccoli grow back if you utterly cut off the entire top of it? I don't even know that.

But nonetheless, the failure of a chicken to be able to have its breast, wings and legs harvested as food and then grow them back to feed more people is argumentative and moot. THE SPECIES provides more; THAT is the mechanism that makes practical the use of chickens for food. All that is required is for the species repopulation to stay somewhat ahead of its harvesting.

It is a mistake for vegetarians to think that because they eat no meat, they are not at risk for food-borne pathogens. That is utterly false. I have read documented cases of people getting deathly ill from stuff they got from central American green onions (chives) that were serve at a restaurant chain; also salmonella from eating raw sprouts. YES, salmonella can be found in VEGETABLES, not just chicken. And people die of e.Coli infection from drinking unpasteurized apple cider.

-Jeffrey

 

I was going to say right on Jeffrey, I agree with every word you're saying here......

....but, you just criticized vegetarians for their belief that their diet is what's best for everyone, which I completely agree with that sentiment that I too hate when a vegetarin tries to force their views on my life and how I'm living is wrong; and then you turn it around and state that your dietery beliefs are indeed what is right for everyone.

I view that as just as bad. My feelings on people's diets? Your life, your diet, your choice - my life, my diet, my choice.

Its a very contradictory stance you take Jeffrey. Your problems with most vegetarians is their intolerance of how a meat eater believes they should live thier lives, yet you in yourself are a meat eater who is intolerant of what a vegetarin believes is the the most health conscious diet.

 

i was not saying i am exempt from disease, i never said that law of life didnt apply to me. what i was saying is, if meat is so healthy, how come they dont tell you whats in it??? how come the only labels on it are warnings?
and if you and im guessing you dont even know what is in the majority of the food you eat, how can you say it is REQUIRED to raise a healthy child? not only is it ridiculous but it is far from the truth... you can get ample amounts of proteins which are as far as i know the only real good thing you get out of eating meat from a number of other tasty and probably healthier sources, and anyway,our 'required' amount of protein like herbamatey said earlier was determined by an experiment on RATS, which grow at an extraordinarily fast rate compared to humans.

and DHS, naturally i respect your opinion more than jeffreys, and i understand the point its your life and your choice, but it is also the PLANET that has to pay the price for your choices. the meat industry takes a heaaavy heaaaavy toll on the environment. it is the leading cause of soil erosion and water pollution, also some air pollution. its estimated the animals we raise for food shit 86,000 pounds a second, a SECOND! its also a big contributor to famine considering we feed animals we raise more than 3/4s of the grains we grow, and it only takes some 25 gallons to grow a pound of these grains yet around 225 gallons to create just a pound of meat. meat is a luxury if your going to eat it, and people should treat it like one. not to mention the inhumane barbaric unatural behavior you are essentially okaying by eating what youve been raised to. if you stop and look at it, the meat industry(and i mean that in every sense of the word, industry) is a terrible terrible thing.

dont take this personal, i dont mean to come off telling you how to live or better than you, but you should be aware that isnt simply your "lifestyle choice" were talking about here......

 

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