Are the Democrats back on track?

Everyone who calls into Levin, Hannity, and Cunningham is a "Yes, your a great patriotic American and the liberals are communists" sort of caller.

 

I remember when Jimmy Hoffa was alive before Nixon THE REPUBLICAN took over the Teamsters Union and RAN it and took full control of the pension fund. I think I might still have my TEAMSTERS, CHAUFERS, and PIANO MOVERS card

 

Sounds to me like the academic left is trying to convince their left leaning followers not to celebrate the 4th of July because it “makes them act like republicans”

I mean, god damn it.

They’ve already waged war on special holidays already. They don’t like Father’s Day because it’s the patriarchy. They don’t like Halloween because of politically incorrect costumes. They don’t like Easter because it doesn’t involve Jews and Muslims. Now they’re going after Independence Day. What a bunch of dullards who suck the fun out of everything. They’re becoming 1970s republicans overnight. Let that sink in

 

Whoa you really took that and ran with it

 

lol

 

You like ending your posts with "let that sink in" don't you?

 

Nose

So basically you are just saying you are not that good at expressing your views.

We can only go on what you say, telling us that that is not what you meant afterwards doesn’t really make much sense we are not mind readers.

Then you even repeat the same mistake - you say you know not all Europe is socialist then you say, “I said Europe has been socialist for years (it has)” - it all of it.

You say things are unrelated, but you don’t say they are unrelated and complain that we didn’t work out they were unrelated – how were we meant to know?

If you did such things in a college paper you’d receive an F.

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Ok so working through you posts lets try and work out what you really meant to say.

You were not talking of the people that came to the Americas ‘hundreds of years ago’ (even if that was what you had said) you were actually talking of those that came later “mid-to late 19th century and the early 20th century”

But the thing is that actually few of those people were fleeing ‘socialist’ governments, if anything it was the opposite. Most of Europe at that time was under the control of wealth dominated governments and many people emigrated not to something but away from something (such as famine and pogroms).

The Irish potato famine that caused a huge wave of migration to the US was brought about not by socialism but by the prevailing conservative doctrine of laissez faire economics that the British government was following, which allowed the Irish to starve, when blight struck there.

If anything ‘socialism’ came about as a reaction against many of the things that were fuelling the migrations to the US the inequality of wealth dominated societies that left many Europeans in poverty (the Communist Manifesto came out in 1848).

And the US wanted migrants at that time to fuel its industrial revolution and the land grab. Yes it was a time of opportunity because at that time much of the US was full of untapped resources. I mean the material and mineral wealth of the old world has been exploited for some 5000 years (for example tin mining in Cornwall). Large areas of the US didn’t become exploited until the 19th century. For example in 1848 Europe was in turmoil as revolutions sprang up across the continent many based around resources and there distribution, while in the US you had the beginning of the California gold rush (and by the way the revolutions were violently subdued by hard-line conservative governments). But it has to be remembered that many left poverty at home for poverty in the US and many Americans had a Social Darwinist view of the poor.

But anyway by the 1940’s the land and recourses where locked in as they had been in the Europe of the 19th century and the US has become like many Europe states of that time, a wealth dominated society with the accompanying inequality.

I could go into greater detail if you wish


But to say that migration it was all about ‘socialism’, is a very poor and faulty view of the history, so maybe you should re-read those books.

 

Where is all this happening? I haven't noticed.

 

Well, he's not making it up on his own. He's given us the sad list of carnival barkers he gets his "information" from.

Then he takes their nonsense, spreads it here like what they say has any factual basis, not that he's interested in a factual basis, pretends to have a two way discussion with us who stupidly engage him and think he actually cares what any of us have to say let alone read and understand our posts, gathers up more crap from his various media personalities, rinse and repeat. For years.

6 eyed doesn't talk to leftys. He talks at them. They're a caricature that exist as both whipping boy for various cultural annoyances and online personae he can occasionally engage with for entertainment and vanity purposes.

Let that sink in.

 

McFuddy

I think this is how democracy will end in the US with people like 6 – those that really have given little though to the things they believe and refuse to listen (let alone learn) from anything that doesn’t fit in with their own prejudices and bias.

Such people can be easily manipulated into handing over power to a despot as long as the despot smiles and apes their prejudices and stokes their fears.

I think they could be convinced to destroy the village to save the village then wonder why they are a slaving in the rubble under a dictatorship.

 

Normally this is where I would brush the problem off with a juvenile attempt at humor, but it really isn't funny anymore.

I came to this forum years ago, drawn in by deeper political discussions than can't often be found online or in person. I still held quite a few conceptions and ideals that I hadn't considered questioning yet.

I knew then, as I do now, that my knowledge base, like everyone else's, was fallible and incomplete. So when books like The Shock Doctrine and A Brief History of Neoliberalism were recommended, I read them. They weren't written by pundits and personalities but by individuals who had put hours upon hours of research into their work and cited extensively. I learned a little... It wasn't hard or time consuming.

But here we are, seeing the same exact misconceptions and spurious ideas years later from some of the same people. Nevermind they have left multitudes of criticisms unanswered. Nevermind so many of their conspiratorial prophecies of what the nefarious left would do never came to fruition.
Nevermind that they keep repeating the same boring accusations, fallacies, insults (only they are permitted to employ those, snowflake.).

At some point it just looks like a bunch of folks decided a long time ago they were going to ride that Confirmation Bias train non stop all the way to perdition, all the while blaming everyone else as to why it's getting so goddamn hot.

 

This is fucking hilarious and this thread seemed like an appropriate place to share

 

Well I'll be waitin' all day with baited breath for the first shot of this democrat led civil war. Bring on the mayhem!!!!!

 

I am far too comfortable in my hipster lifestyle for war

I dont need your civil war-ar-ar.

Please just leave me alone to make my small batch pickles and drink my craft beer in peace, thanks

 

Let that sink in.

 

I was really going to tear into this post, because, like a lot of your posts, Balbus, I found it to be unnecessarily condescending and snarky. But before I made an ass of myself, I decided to re-read my initial statement and see just how stupid my post was.

And frankly, I think it's actually quite succinct. Sure, it could have been worded better. I take responsibility for that. However, the two statements are independent of each other and are even two separate paragraphs. While the initial reading could have been confusing, you basically asked me to clarify and I did--stating that they were two unrelated thoughts. I thought pointing out that two separate paragraphs were two separate thoughts would have ended the discussion.

I was wrong.

I could have been inconsiderate or questioned your reading comprehension skills for both dramatic effect and to inflate my own imagined sense of superiority. But I don't do that.

As a child I was diagnosed with both ADD and dysgraphia. While writing has always been a passion of mine, it's also always been one of my greatest challenges. I did not receive Fs in school, because I'd write, edit, re-write, re-edit, my papers five, six--sometimes ten times. I was told I'd never be a good public speaker nor writer because of this.

So, naturally, I speak at Log Cabin Republican meetings and, after having made a splash as copywriter, hold a managerial position overseeing the creation of media campaigns for a public relations firm.

I've also been experiencing a lot of cognitive issues as of late that my doctor has said is most likely related to my recent MS diagnosis.

So, yeah, despite all of that working against me, I still try and put down my thoughts on paper. I made a career out of the written word and am currently in a month-long writing camp. I am expecting to finish my first novel by the end of the month--the first draft of it, anyway.

So, I've overcome a lot, and, yet--and it was a Hip Forums post that brought me to tears this morning.

Yes. I have trouble expressing my views. Unintentionally or not--unwittingly or not--you poked fun at a disability. Mine. So, thank you for that...

You brought it up, I've addressed it, let's move on. Let's see if my rambling, unorganized, feeble mind can explain this in a way even you and Fraggle can understand.

I'll even link them together since the two independent thought method confuses you so. After all, I don't want you to continue to think I believe socialism has existed all over all of Europe for all times.

There are socialist countries in Europe. There is a segment of a certain demographic in the United States who embrace the ideals and even standards of living in those European countries. Their version of better opportunity and socialist utopia exists already, just on the other side of the ocean.

I find it interesting that the descendants of people who sailed across an ocean for a better life can't be bothered to do the same. Instead, they sit around a free society, benefiting from a free market, complaining about how American standards don't apply to them, how capitalism is "evil, how socialism is the way to go. They'd rather change the foundations of America to conform to the view of a small minority, than to move to a socialist country.

Take care.

 

Spoken like a true libertarian.

 

Nose

And I’m rather badly dyslexic, I only read my first book when I was 11 and have had to edit, re-write and re-edit the things I write multiple times since I learnt to write, it made getting my degree a lot harder and there were no computer back then....

Anyway you still have not address what seem to be errors in you history

Yes there are democratic socialist leaning countries in Europe but there were not in the 19th centrury and certainly not in the Europe of the 16th and 17th century so what the hell were you going on about with all the socialism and migration stuff?

Can you please address what I said, this is just a silly right wing rant, I mean for a start the ‘free market’ of the last 30 years of so has not benifited the majority of Americans only a few.

And what do you mean by “the foundations of America“?

 

What I think is very interesting is the reaction from Tom Perez regarding the state of the democratic party in light of the election of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (No idea why he didn't also mention Ben Jealous). Perez calls her, "the future of our party".

What are we to infer from this? Are the democrats planning to go fully socialist? And if that's the case, why did they torpedo Bernie Sanders?

The chair of the Democratic Party just embraced progressive insurgent Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, calling her 'the future of our party'
Josh Caplan on Twitter

 

I am not, nor have I ever been, talking about early settlers nor Europe in the 16th or 17th centuries. The only people bringing any of that up have been Balbous and Fraggle Rock.

I'm talking about immigration roughly between the beginning of the industrial revolution and the beginning of the First World War.