Are the Democrats back on track?

I went to one of Bernie's rallies and there were over 20,000 people and he won the caucus in our state with 71%. A few weeks later we had a primary with mail in ballots and Hillary won with 55% using the diebold machines. Totally rigged "selection" imo.

 

Seems more like annoyance than what I characterize as actual hate.

 

It wasn't exactly rigged.

The DNC worked out a deal with Hillary where in exchange for helping to raise funds for the party and generally being a team player, they allowed her input into things like debate schedules. Bernie refused to help out with the fundraising and basically shit all over the party itself in the process. Hillary won the popular vote and the nomination regardless, but the fact that she received 'preferential treatment' because of her willingness to help out the party, it meant that Bernie supporters could spin conspiracy theories and tap into the cultural image of the evil power-hungry female and generally help to get Trump elected.

 

It was obvious in the way she spoke that she had insider information. Several times I saw a reporter ask about Bernie and each time she smirked and said "my party had decided I am the candidate". Each time Bernie was interviewed they always asked if it was kind of stupid of him to risk taking votes from Hillary. If he was a good Democrat he would work with her. He's not a Democrat and they never suggested Hillary a much more polarizing figure cost him votes.

The mainstream late nigh hosts and such also adopted the shaming approach. Bernie was cool than he was a punchline. All the subtle things trying to tell you why bother no one likes him but you so all you can do is follow a 2 party right wing system.

Follow the money. Think about it everyone hated Hillary red and blue. Some red people kind of respect Bernie because he's an outsider too like Trump. Of course they misunderstand what socialism is but they liked him simply because he trolled Hillary.

 

What more can you do? Hillary won 51% of the vote she "won". You need to address the electoral college system and even then who cares? The two parties are the same it matters not who is in office.

 

They are not the same.
Please don't make that mistake.

Hillary would not have been as bad as Trump.

 

back on track to lose the next election too?

ohhh yeahhhhhhhhh (in macho man randy savage voice)

 

Trump got elected by the disenfranchised voters left out by the establishment Republican. Working class, less economically influential, a less educated gruop. They didn't have work yet they didn't want handouts. And they didn't want to be associated with their Democrat counterparts.

So they grew frustrated at the status quo Republican that really had no plans to improve their sutuation. So they were angry at their party and angry at the other party which they felt supported long term unemployment, endless social programs. And all the other aspects as well.

Trump reached them. The Republicans saw the largest increase in size in recent history, due to Trump.

Now he has the same problem the Democrats had. Keep that voting base angry and pointed in the right direction.

It's gonna be long road.

 

In some ways no in other ways the exact same. Both are egomaniacs more concerned with the elite upper-class than the average American. Both hate poor people and don't support any sort of social welfare because it's the poor person's fault. As a Democrat her language would be nicer but she's a fat cat too. Her secret service hated her because according them her private words are Trump's public tweets. She was very bitter that stupid Americans did not like her. She felt entitled to it as a women in her place.

We also can't accept her just because she is not him. That is the rock and hard place they want you to be forced in. If we continue to accept that there will be no change in politics. Maybe in a way we need the heartless capitalism we see now to push people to real European Socialism. A lot of talk of a "silent majority" afraid to say they support Trump. Well those people will soon find out what a real majority is. They are about to die but their grandchildren don't worry about the USSR.

 

Who these people are in private has no bearing on whether or not they will do the right thing in public, whether or not they are suited for the job, or whether or not their policies will reflect their personal frustrations.

Voting for the Republicans means voting for cuts to education and social welfare, as well as the end of environmental regulations, economic regulations, climate research, research into the harmful effects of chemicals... and it also means you are supporting climate denial. In this case, it also meant voting against America as the leader of the free world and the disruption of the global order in favor of Russian and Chinese dominance.

Hillary has every right to be bitter, every right to believe that Americans are stupid-- they proved that they are on 11/9. She was obviously the most qualified candidate... but people chose to believe the narcissistic racist liar who told everyone that he was going to build walls, rip up trade agreements, imprison journalists, act like a global bully, build up nuclear stockpiles, and then magically give them everything they've ever wanted. It is insane that such a person was ever allowed to run for office.

Her entitlement had nothing to do with her being a woman-- she expected Americans were smart enough not to fall for the sleazy conman, or at least to recognize that preventing him from getting power was extremely important for the future of the country. A lot of people never would have believed that anyone would fall for his bullshit... and then they did.

Now we are all supposed to pretend that these people understand the world they are living in? That they still deserve respect? I don't think so. Obviously, they need to be manipulated into voting for someone who will do the right thing, but treating them like intelligent adults who can make informed decisions is not the way to go.

Voting for Trump is NOT going to push America closer to real European Socialism. It is going to pave the way for actual Nazis-- as in, a charismatic leader who wants to bring real fascism to America and knows how to do it, not some dumbass who only cares about himself. The Democrats show absolutely no signs of embracing Eurosocialism or anything like it, and besides American culture isn't compatible with it. The rich are too powerful and they don't give a shit about anyone else.

Meanwhile, the planet continues to warm and what little progress had been made to slow it down is being reversed thanks to American voters. It's bullshit. At the very least, China has agreed to combat global warming... and despite their issues with pollution, I actually believe them. Maybe they deserve to be on top for a while.

 

I see your point but the choice is meaningless. What is she going to do that he did not do? It's a bigger waste of time and energy to think that the system will be fixed.

 

I don't agree with you here at all, unfocused....any less of two evils is always better than the worse of two evils, so yes, yuo are part of the problem.

 

I'd love to believe but what will change in the current system? People believe they have a choice with two right wing parties with the same goals. We accept that these two parties are bought and can openly make choices contradictory to the people. We accept that corporations can own these parties and ensure policies that favor them will always be a priority. When was the last time the people were heard? For example net neutrality now. The public does not want that yet it is happening because the parties want it. Republicans are even paid thousands of dollars to tweet about it. They spin it as a typical political issue where they want a free market and the left wants something for free. Not the case even Trump voters disagree with net neutrality because they view their web sites as outsider. So like guns this is the first target of a big goverment.

No Democrat or Republican can change that until the system as a whole changes. And that means these parties no loner exist.

 

They are owned by the same corporations and they have very little difference in opinions. Americans make them into big issues because it's all we have. Things that don't really matter politically like who can use which bathroom and who needs a cake are the big issues.

Why would I not complain about the Democrats who openly cheated the idea of democracy? It's not a far out conspiracy theory Bernie Sanders was the more popular candidate with the people.
But like I said it's all we have so people will actuly defend Democrats and say "oh well they are better than nothing. Maybe one day they will change". The money will still be there in 50 or 100 years no one is changing.

 

Or take into account these college educated journalist with them critical thinking skills they're so proud of.

How a tweet about a MAGA hat cost this reporter his job

Playing right into Trump's hands.

 

They aren't owned by the same corporations.

Top Organization Contributors | OpenSecrets

I don't even think you actually looked into where the candidates stood.

2016 Presidential Candidate Positions on 75 Issues - 2016 Presidential Election - ProCon.org

Some things Trump supports and Hillary doesn't:

-racial profiling
-private prisons
-death penalty (used as much as possible.... seriously)
-no taxes on the rich (ie: himself)
-no tuition-free university (Hillary supported tuition-free education, which is what you wanted)
-fossil fuel leases on public lands
-less gun control
-guns IN schools
-abortion should be illegal
-ending Obamacare
-raids to enforce immigration laws
-rejecting Syrian refugees
-climate change isn't manmade
-keystone pipeline
-against same-sex marriage
-nuclear proliferation

Then there's also absurd shit like this:

More than 140 organizations condemn President Trump's call to execute people for nonviolent drug offenses

Executing people for non-violent drug offenses!
How the fuck could anyone actually support this??

There also wasn't any question as to whether Trump was going to destroy the EPA and allow increased pollution of water, air and land. It happened. This on top of his focus on high-emissions industries like coal.

If you hate the environment, good job voting for Trump/not voting for Hillary.

The Democrats didn't cheat democracy-- Hillary still won the popular vote. If Bernie was more popular, he would have won the popular vote (or more people would have motivated themselves to vote)... so yes, it is a far out conspiracy theory, and it's one that Bernie supporters started because they care more about fantasies of free education, free health care, free money and free jobs than about supporting someone who might actually have been able to deliver on at least one of them in a realistic way.

I don't know why you feel the need to dismiss all of this without actually looking into any of it. Are you just giving yourself reasons not to get involved?

Political parties need donations... there's no way around that. But the real enemy is the Republicans... it should be glaringly obvious by now that they have no intention of doing anything except moving more of the wealth into fewer hands as quickly and unapologetically as possible while destroying the environment, the education system, and not even pretending they have any interest in giving anything back to anyone.

 

Oh right, Trump is playing 3-D chess!
If he worked for FOX news and it was about Hillary or Obama, he probably would have been promoted.