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Ok so working through you posts lets try and work out what you really meant to say.

You were not talking of the people that came to the Americas ‘hundreds of years ago’ (even if that was what you had said) you were actually talking of those that came later “mid-to late 19th century and the early 20th century”

So although in some places the IR started earlier and others later lets say from the 1840's to 1914

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But the thing is that actually few of those people were fleeing ‘socialist’ governments, if anything it was the opposite. Most of Europe at that time was under the control of wealth dominated governments and many people emigrated not to something but away from something (such as famine and pogroms).

The Irish potato famine that caused a huge wave of migration to the US was brought about not by socialism but by the prevailing conservative doctrine of laissez faire economics that the British government was following, which allowed the Irish to starve, when blight struck there.

If anything ‘socialism’ came about as a reaction against many of the things that were fuelling the migrations to the US the inequality of wealth dominated societies that left many Europeans in poverty (the Communist Manifesto came out in 1848).

And the US wanted migrants at that time to fuel its industrial revolution and the land grab. Yes it was a time of opportunity because at that time much of the US was full of untapped resources. I mean the material and mineral wealth of the old world has been exploited for some 5000 years (for example tin mining in Cornwall). Large areas of the US didn’t become exploited until the 19th century. For example in 1848 Europe was in turmoil as revolutions sprang up across the continent many based around resources and there distribution, while in the US you had the beginning of the California gold rush (and by the way the revolutions were violently subdued by hard-line conservative governments). But it has to be remembered that many left poverty at home for poverty in the US and many Americans had a Social Darwinist view of the poor.

But anyway by the 1940’s the land and resources where locked in as they had been in the Europe of the 19th century and the US has become like many Europe states of that time, a wealth dominated society with the accompanying inequality.

I could go into greater detail if you wish


But to say that migration it was all about ‘socialism’, is a very poor and faulty view of the history, so maybe you should re-read those books.

 

Using a mixed economy model brought those European nations out of the deep poverty from which people fled to the US in the first place

 

Lincoln wasn't wearing a blue shirt, so your whole post, is a LIE!

 

The state of our politics: They, those, them, they,they, those, them, them, they. The OTHERS. Very successful, unfortunately.

 

Why do people keep thinking I've ever said that immigrants from Europe in the mid 19th century to the early 20 the century came to the US to flee socialism?

It's like there are people intentionally trying to miss my point.

I'll give anyone on here $1,000 to link to where I said, immigrants fled socialist Europe. A cool grand.

Any takers?

 

Right here

 

Bitcoin?

 

Democrats VOTE for their leadership and future. I like Cortez and Perez. Sanders is an independent...not a Democrat. We already voted to make sure our 2020 candidate is one of US. As far as the Socialist Political Philosophy goes, there are lots of socialist attributes in American society, like social security. It was put in place after the Hoover Administration policy of letting Big Business run rough shod over the American people.

 

Still seems more like a purge. This one is particularly interesting since he was the guy who might have given Pelosi a run for her buck.

What I mean is that it couldn't have been played better. After 10 terms, people get tired of voting. What's the point when the connected crony is running. So this last election saw 30,000 voters in this district, not even 10% of the voting population.

What I see here is a very capable crew who saw the perfect opportunity to drive the base to show up and vote. We saw the same thing with Cantor, and those were democrats voting for a republican who could take over an old, fossilized seat. The republican they chose was not well known, presumably easy to defeat in the next election (worth the wait to remove a decayed, lawmaking tick).

I can't think of any examples of republicans voting for democrats, though apparently it's a viable idea when you can steer the vote around a white supremacist. I wonder if we'll see a return to the real kind of back and forth maneuvering and posturing being applied by both parties. People hit the streets when politicians stagnate.

 

Don't you watch Fox & Friends?

 

I agree with you here. I don't want another Dan Rostenkowski or however you spell his name. I don't want another Strom Thurman...how long was he in there? People need to start believing that the government belongs to the people. I don't want another Warren Court. I don't want cops to shoot young black men in the streets. I don't want people pulled over for driving while black. I don't want Uranium mining in the Grand Canyon. I want the good to come back. I don't mean that I want a Norman Rockwell life or a Fredric Remington life; however, both would be better than a Trump nightmare where everyone hates the other for party loyalty.

 

This is classic. We start out with Diedre's post "I read that a study from Harvard came out that everyone” (US citizens) acts “more republican” on July 4th lol ". What were the investigators' names? We don't know. No matter. Now observe Shaman's interpretation. Professor(s) X morph into "the acadamic left". And instead of just making a wry comment about how everyone acts on the 4th, the professor(s) are now "they", waging "war" on Father's Day , Easter, and Halloween. (I guess the "war on Christmas" goes without saying). The war on Easter seems to be a product of the (now defunct) Bill O'Reilly outrage factory. Some Christian fundamentalists regard our celebration of it to be rather too "pagan" to stir the same negative emotions as somebody wishing you "Happy Holidays" . The War on Easter | HuffPost The War On Easter! If you lived around here, you'd know it isn't just "the acadmeic left" that has a problem with Halloween. The fundies want to ban it because of devil worship. And if Fathers Day is too sexist, why doesn't that apply to Mother's day? I suspect these "wars" are mainly inventions of the right wing media, the better to discredit those awful lefto secularists. Looks like Shaman is angling for a job at Fox, or maybe Breitbart..

I found out there are two professors involved: Harvard Assistant Professor David Yanagizawa-Drott and Bocconi University Assistant Professor Andreas Madestam. Their study has some interesting political implications. "The political right has been more successful in appropriating American patriotism and its symbols during the 20th century," the authors write. "Survey evidence also confirms that Republicans consider themselves more patriotic than Democrats. According to this interpretation, there is a political congruence between the patriotism promoted on Fourth of July and the values associated with the Republican party." The Republicans have managed to wrap themselves in the flag as they loot the treasury for their tax cuts and their fearless leader trashes our allies and cozies up to Putin. No evidince, though, that the professors are waging war on anything. Just reporting the results of their research.

 

It seem to me that the right are a lot better at scapegoating (lefties want to end western civilization as we know it) but I’m never sure if it’s wilful or because they are ill-informed.

Or is it a degree of both, they don’t care if it’s true but it’s a good way of painting ALL lefties as out of touch loons. And the thing is there are loons out there, but they come from every shade of the political spectrum.

But on the whole all the lefties I know love a good festival even though most of us are also atheists which frankly only gives us the opportunity to mix and match as we wish, so we add Eid and Diwali to the list as well.

My family gleefully set out cookies and milk for Santa (plus a carrot for the reindeer). The tooth fairy was still visiting the house long after my kid had stopped believing in her (she confessed such to my wife who said ‘yes but carry on saying you do for the sake of your father). I’ve gone Easter egg hunting in the garden of committed Marxists and had pumpkin face carving competitions with a Trotskyite and gone trick and treating with a many a Labour party supporter.

As Okie point out if anything it’s the right that gets upset with all the fun going on. They complain that Xmas and Easter aren’t ‘Christian’ enough, that the modern Halloween is a vulgar American import and is overshadowing the ‘English’ ritual burning of Catholics (Guy Fawkes night) and many tut or sneer at Eid and Diwali.

 

I'm a bit confused. I thought the left were not American because they did not own guns or prepare to defend freedom. Now they will start a civil war without guns and get the people who do?

Kind of sums up the whole gun owner world view. No matter what be afraid they are gonna get you.

Funny to me because at the militia meetings I did attend to paraphrase the head gun guy said "it's important to keep buying guns because Obama voters will not and that is how we will take America back. We will shoot and they will not".

 

I had assumed they were cowards, but I didn't realize it was a conscious part of their doctrine.

 

I was shocked at how much of their day was planned about Obama. You see it even now Trump voters will still use words like "fascist" and "king" to describe him. He's the worst thing to ever happen so thank god Trump camp with the true democracy. They never think that if Obama was truly that he probably would not have allowed an election. At the time they said he would not and I guess when he did they decided he did not but Trump "made a deal" about it I don't know.

They also had a BBQ one time. It was oddly friendly and clam but even among friends they all had a pistol on their waist while they munched on a burger. Were they worried about a burgler?

 

Saw Alexandria Ocasio Cortez on MSNBC yesterday on Morning Joy. Softball questions all. almost like her in-house publicity dept.

Balbus ! ? People still celebrate Guy Fawkes Day? wasn't that a long time ago?

 

Bingo, she's another manufactured candidate with a carefully crafted facade. Her personal profiles online have been revised. She's tweeting about inane, small town stuff and the press on both sides are tearing at it like raw meat. I hope she's ready for this. Altering the written words was a shrewd strategy, but the changes look rehearsed/planned. There was likely a point by point "if she wins" procedure. We saw this with the press in late 2016. Lots of them jumped the gun and had to reel back. Her campaign is just doing damage control since it appears her dubious claims to being a "one of you" kind of candidate are pretty thin. I personally doubt it will matter, but its probably best to pull down the stuff with the narrower appeal and broaden the category of constituents.

Tom Perez thinks she's a good investment. I forgot what he said about Obama. And above all else, does anyone know Cortez's take on Marijuana?

 

So you're saying she's phony?

 

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