Are Right Wing Extremists Crashing Peaceful Protests?

That guy did his best to disrupt my thread on communal living for older Hippies. He couldn't stand the idea of people living together in peace and harmony. He was all for guns, Davidian style fortress, and Christian supremacy. On top of all that, he didn't want others to hold their own opinion. It just had to be his own White Christian domination. So I told him to go and take a flying leap over the Brazos.

 

And on the subject of vigilantism, how far does it go before it becomes unacceptable? some years ago I was out in town and a group of about ten drunken football supporters were stood outside a pub, a very attractive girl walked past and as she approached several of them began to make crude comments about what they'd like to do to her. One decided to take it further and as she passed he grabbed her and began to grope her, seeing this I ran over and punched the guy, grabbed her and dragged her down the street and into a bar, safe from the idiots, she thanked me and stayed for a while, leaving when she felt safer. Now the question is this, I suppose what I did was a kind of vigilantism, if I'd have hung back and rung the police anything could have happened to her before they arrived, so I did what I did to deal with the situation. Now suppose that it had been legal over here (uk) to carry a weapon and I'd used it on other members of the group, on the basis that they MIGHT have done something, would that be right, or would that be wrong? in my opinion it would be wrong as I only saw one guy actually well sexually assaulting the girl, if you want to put it technically. This is were it can all go horribly wrong, in my opinion it's fine to sort something yourself if it needs sorting now and the police are not instantly available, but some people go too far and start wanting to sort out the 'maybe's' and the 'might have dones'

 

Phil

Question is did you go to the pub because you knew that it was frequented by football hooligans and that you wanted to do something if they tried anything.

So it’s harder to get a gun in the UK so lest say you went armed with a baseball bat and stood outside the pub looking at the football drunks and swinging it into you palm.

Happening to walk by something and helping out is one thing going purposely to what you know is a volatile place armed and intimidating is another.

Thing is that a few years ago we did have a big problem in the UK with football hooligans many were neo-nazis skinheads that were more interested in fighting than football and often also turned up at anti-racism demos or Pride to cause trouble.

Recently the same types turned up to ‘protect’ statutes after recent anti-racism marches

‘A man who attended protests in London to 'protect statues' has admitted urinating next to a memorial for a murdered policeman.’

However, the event turned violent after hundreds of self-proclaimed "statue defenders" took over areas near the Houses of Parliament and Trafalgar Square…Some were filmed shouting racist slogans and doing Nazi salutes.

 

Haha, What, Wait!!??!! Dude...
Have you not "awoken" to find out it's 2020?
C'mon, man! You know! The thing! Grrr

That logic, reasoning, self-restraint... All that bullshit from the past... That's for dumb ass old people who don't give a shit about the plight of us young people today. You think you had it bad having to work hard doing your schoolwork and homework and mowing lawns or delivering papers to the neighbors so you could get jobs and buy food, cars, houses and such meaningless things. You old fuckers were never harassed about spending the day on a bed playing video games - that's real hardship!
Hang on, my iPhone 12 is ringing, gotta take this. Yes mom... will be home by midnight. Don't wait up. We're just holding up signs to let everyone know how angry we are about the overdosed drug-addicted felon who died in police custody, I mean murdered by police, yeah that's it, what was his name, oh somebody will remind me, I hear it now and then. No, it was somewhere else, I forget what it's called, don't know where it is because geography is super-boring and maps are for loser nerds. I just put that petrol in that bottle in case your car is low when I want you to take me to the arcade. Yeah I'll be safe and I'll be home soon mommy, no girls here I don't think, I'm not going anywhere you know that, I'm only 24, got two more years on your health insurance. Yes mommy everyone's wearing masks and staying six feet or more apart, promise. I would never lie to you mommy. You know me. Love you too...

Where were we? Oh yeah, this crazy racial injustice. And nobody should have a gun for self defense. It's evil and immoral. We better build backwards or else this destroying, burning, and stealing party could be over. That would suck if I had to take a job and work every day.

 

Trud

LOL – do you really fall for this type of dumb assed right wing propaganda?

It’s like those Nazis propaganda posters from the late twenties early thirties Germany when communists were portrayed as both weak intellectuals and also dangerous anarchist that could bring down the state.

Oh antifa are such a bunch of weak lazy soy boys

Oh antifa are really dangerous thugs and anarchists that could destroy America

I mean oh man how gullible are you…

 

Little K.: Mom. It's so boring hear in Illinois. Could you drive me to Kenosho, Wisconsin, so I could get in on all the cool vigilante action there. And have you seen my AR15? Just in case somebody comes after me and makes me afraid for my life, I need to defend myself.

(LATER) Mama, just killed two guys. Put a gun against their heads, pulled the trigger , now their dead,
Mama, life had just begun, But now I've gone and thrown it all away.

Mom: Don't worry baby, Everything will be alright. It was all in self-defense of President Trump, and even if you're convicted, he'll surely be re-elected and use his pardon power to get you out. Gotta have law and order!

 

"My guess is one contributing factor would be that Trump is running for re-election."

IMHO in a free country such as the USA the person running for election or re-election should not be an excuse for looting, burning, stealing, robbing, assault et al. The ballot box gives every voter the opportunity to vent their anger against a candidate by voting against he or she.

As you say "A third would be opportunistic vandals and looters, seeing a chance to get that TV or computer they always wanted or to smash something up."

However would one third of opportunistic thugs still be actively looting, stealing, assaulting & smashing if there was no "peaceful marches?"

The very same people calling for the "defunding of the police" might well be the first to dial 911 when looters choose their home or business to vandalize. Who else they gonna call? Ghost Busters?

 

Peaceful protests are perfect cover for opportunistic thugs.

 

Oh, really? There's a new take. Up to now, dems are the supporters of teachers unions who adamantly oppose any kind of improvements to schools. They fight tooth and nail to suppress any kind of alternative to the existing public schools which measurably produce underperforming students thus promoting socioeconomic inequality. But their main function is to get government teachers the most money and benefits they can weasel out of the underserved public, all while filling their coffers and supporting democrat party candidates; any talk of producing better students is just that - talk. If they were interested in improving educational opportunities, the last thing they'd be opposed to is school competition and choice.

So you're saying the Dems are now suddenly for school competition and choice???

 

Good luck with that. Get back to us with how that goes for you, if you can.

 

So you're not adept with logic. That was already in evidence but further demonstrated here. Expecting similar results from two different things is equating the two different things? Huh. I don't need "your kind" of education then. Yikes.

For some reason I can't help but think that you believe being schooled in the arts qualifies as being "educated". Critical thinking is not exactly part of that curriculum... :-/
What do you do for a living? Oh yeah, cook food.

 

Agreed. And the person running for re-election should not be his excuse for throwing gasoline on the fire by playing up and exaggerating the violence with "the Democrats are coming for your daughters" messages. The violence seems to occur after police shoot some unarmed black person. It seems to end relatively quickly except in peculiar venues like Seattle and Portland. I've given my reasons what I think is the problem there, but encouraging vigilantes and outside agitators to enter the scene isn't helping.

 

Comply with what? A vigilante carrying a gun?

So you are trying to defend vigilantism. From what I gather from your muddled statement, vigilantism and government law enforcement are both good if they achieve the similar results? And that seems "logical" to you? If that's not what you're trying to say, what are you trying to say? And you call that "critical thinking"? Have you ever been to college?

 

The implication of your question is that peaceful marches are inappropriate because they might attract vandals and looters, and therefore when the police keep shooting unarmed African--American men the latter and their outraged sympathizers should keep their mouths shut and go about their business lest someone riot. If you go to the U.S. Constitution to the part called the Bill of Rights and look one up from the Second Amendment, you'll find the First Amendment, giving people, among other things, the right to free speech and assembly. Gun rights nuts get all uptight if somebody questions their "right" to intimidate citizens and lawmakers. We normal Americans think it should be okay, too, to shut and march if the government does something outrageous.

 

Good grief, man. Could you get more out in left field? I get that you're a leftist but some leftists can actually follow a conversation. But you, well, this ain't that!! Cheers, mate.

 

Might. I think the "defund the police" issue is likely to die a natural death unless there's another police shooting.[/

 

So you can't explain what it is you were trying to say. I think that's your problem, not mine.

 

No. If you couldn't follow it the first time, repeating myself won't help. It's all written above; if you truly want to figure it out, go back and study it.

 

But these white nationalists have wanted a race war for years. This is nothing new, just another baby KKK faction with a younger following. They teach their off-spring to hate just like their fathers used to do with them. Most of the violence in Portland and Kenosha was done by the right wing saboteurs. Boogaloo members have been arrested in a dozen states with pipe bombs and gasoline bombs, with the intention of blaming violence on people who march for civil rights. For most civil rights supporters, violence is not acceptable. For Trump's stupid followers, it's the first choice option.

 

I've tried to explain things to him in the past. It does not work. He seems to think that "Defund The Police" means all police and all crime fighting activity. He can't grasp the fact that each local, county, state agency can be funded more or less based on history of problems. Some agencies during the GW Bush years were given military equipment to deal with local crime. That was when the police methods started to metamorphose into totalitarian and authoritarian. The Republican morons and their NRA cronies have always wanted this. They never seem to welcome criminal investigations of their own wealthy kind, but cheer on when a Black man gets busted for robbing a liquor store, or a Muslim shop keeper sells a can of soda-pop to a poor person on food stamps. In Trump we have an example of an obviously criminal rich stalling the release of his tax and banking documentation. Adam Schiff and Gerry Nadler are going after him hard in just a few weeks. Adam Schiff has all his files ready.