are most christians naive or is god completely unfair?

Campbell...thank you for your answer, much appreciated.

 

Jesus isnt a tribal deity dipshit, his "father" was. I never mentioned Jesus.
I was talking about the OT god, well one of the OT gods, there were a few in there.

Its easy to toss out false god allegations isnt it?

100% accuracy is just too ridiculous to even laugh about.

My Mother is the future, she is the past and present as well.
You breath Her air with every breath, the food you
eat comes from Her, and the land you live on is Her body.

Call Her false next time you go outside. My Goddess is
visiable to all, and can't be denied.

 

That is horribly inaccurate. Voodoo is the New World interpretaion of
West African animism. It mixed with Catholocism much later.

It mixed well too, because Catholocism allows for demi-god
worship, and the reverance of ancestor and spirits. THe same
happened in East Asia, where the indeginous animistic beliefs
mixed right in.

 

Jesus and the Father are one in the same God, and the Bible clearly teaches this. Yes, it is easy to toss out the false God allegations because what I have stated is true. Your mother has no voice, you say she is the future, past, and present. It's a shame she can't speak to you of either. For she has no voice. Yet you have your man made traditions, and thats about it. The Bible states that the men will worship the creation, rather than the Creator. I believe that pretty well sums up your belief.

 

You credit a small tribal deity who was jealous of the better god.

What he says matters little, he has been a deceiver since Moses.

You say I follow man made creation, I say you read man made books.

I require no written words to have validity.

I see my Mother daily, and have been in the presence of my gods.

 

Deceivers do not speak the truth, the God of the Bible does. I read man made Books that speak the truth and speak of history before it happens. And only God knows the future. And so the men who wrote those Books had to be inspired by God. Because only God knows the future. You say you require no written words, I would add to that, your belief has no foundation, but your personal whim. False Gods, and false religions, are founded on non-existent foundations. And as the God of the Bible has stated, they worship the creation, rather than the Creator.

 

Since when is the rain the sound of your mother's voice? Since when is the ground her body?

The earth is the earth.

 

Cambell, I will get no where with you, so I will not waste any more words.

Erise, since She first bore life. The earth is our Mother.

 

Id almost start singing that Pocahontas song haha

Oh how i miss being a pagan.

 

Christians believe in Jesus but they don't follow him. If Jesus existed it is for them that he died -- no one else is saved -- and therefore it is also because of them that he died.

Would you trade your eternal life for Christ's mortal one? If so then why was his death necessary? If not, how can you call yourself his follower?

Just something Christians don't consider. They don't have to take up their cross; Jesus took up his. They think His is theirs to bear as well. You face so much adversity being a Christian, don't you? I'll bet it's really hard on you. ... Not quite as hard as actually practicing what you preach, but whatever. You've always got Jesus to kill for that.

 

actually on the level of God that you are referring to that is wrong, study ancient hindu texts and read abou hindu holy men, there are many many holy men in hindu society who have predicted future events. but then again in hindu philosophy man is god and doesn't know it...so through yoga(not the western bendy kind) man realises he is god and thus god is again predictin the future. but of course thats easy to dismiss as false because it is hindu and hindu is wrong and christianity is right....just like over half the world has descided that the bible is a falacy...but hey, just offering an alternative view here.....

 

Thats for that view tiki.

But its going to fall on def ears, cause
thats just the devil tricking people into
their "false" religion.

At least thats what cambell would say.

 

what led you away?

 

Because it was more a fairytale i loved believing than the actual truth i was looking for. Not saying ive yet found it, i just dont believe that paganism will get me there.

 

Not all Hindu philosophy teaches that "man is God and doesn't know it". You need to be aware of the philosophical differences in Hindu thought. Check the Hinduism section...it's a topic of ongoing debate.

 

That's just the thing: We don't just base our eternal life on Christ's mortal life, but also on Christ's eternal life. God doesn't have a start or an end

"They don't have to take up their cross"

Actually...

Luke 22:23 Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. [24] For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it. [25] What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self? [26] If anyone is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels."

 

Nice quote, always liked it. Really helps show that we are already what we need to be, but don't realize it. When Jesus says to take up our cross, does he really mean a literal crucifix, and when he says "whoever wants to save his life will lose it" do you really think me means your literal life, that you'll die?

I think not. He's saying if you will save your life (possessions, relationships, egoic stuff) you'll lose (forget) your life (the kingdom within, or god within...the soul). You have to lose your life (egoic stuff) to save it (the soul). Sort of a play on words Jesus is using there. I believe this is what jesus did, and when he says "follow me" he doesn't mean belief, he means do what he did.

Kind of a tangent, but I felt I should respond.

 

How could you get anywhere with me. You have no foundation to stand on, and your Mother can't speak. And it's not that you are wasteing you words, it's that you don't have any words. That's what happens when you worship a false God.

 

Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, this was spoken about in the Old Testament hundreds of years before Christ was born. The Bible teaches that God would that the whole world would follow Him. Yet the Bible states that most of the world will go to Hell because they want nothing to to with Christ. It was an evil world that killed Christ, not those who follow Him. Jesus came to this world to die on the cross to be the blood sacrifice. He fulfilled His mission. When people become Christian they are telling Christ they love Him. When you ignore His sacrifice you condem yourself to Hell. Outside of Christ Blood Sacrifice, their is no salvation for sin.

 

Jesus stated, that unless a man is born again he will not see the Kingdom of Heaven. Everone needs to be Born Again. Jesus also stated that no one will be justified by the works of the law. Another words, you will not get to Heaven by doing good works. So, how do you think you will get to Heaven?