Are Miracles Proof of God.

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by Jimbee68, Dec 26, 2013.

  1. Jimbee68

    Jimbee68 Member

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    To you non-believers out there, I just have one question: Do you think miracles are "proof" of God?

    Today is an appropriate day to ask this question. Today is the feast of Stephen. In case you don't know, Good King Wencelas looked out, on the feast of Stephen. Here is the whole Christmas carol: http://www.carols.org.uk/good_king_wenceslas.htm

    Anyway, I am an adamant skeptic myself. So I am not saying it does. I am just wondering how skeptics reconcile things like this.

    :):):)
     
  2. Indy Hippy

    Indy Hippy Zen & Bearded

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    Miracles are proof of man.
     
  3. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    It's a miracle something was able to develop into something intelligent which caused us all today to be on this tiny planet. So in that way i would agree: we can see proof of God in all the miracles we see every day. But essentially miracles are not proof of anything except that there are things of which we have no proof of how it works (because a miracle seems to be mainly considered supernatural because it isn't fully explainable yet).
     
  4. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    Instead, we prove it was a miracle because Physics made sense anyway. Probability only lies. I'm not sure this was Spinoza'a point of view:eggnog:
     
  5. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    When miracles happen they dumbfound the mind. At this moment all accepted concepts become fragile and God can be experienced.
     
  6. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    And Man exists to the existentialists.
     
  7. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    Unlike the existentialist God isn't hostile or indifferent imo.
     
  8. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    Today the the Bible is inerrant from cover to cover. This is a miracle. However, it may also be that that is a matter of interpretation for the miracle of the miracle's existence. Yes, this is more popular for the readers then the existentialist way of justifying that "God is a mystery", like Spinoza would believe.:(


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpw-TSd36l8"]Divine Inspiration & Biblical Inerrancy: The Failed Hypothesis - YouTube
     
  9. *MAMA*

    *MAMA* Perfectly Imperfect

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    Miracles are proof of the universe.
     
  10. TAZER-69

    TAZER-69 Listen To Your Heart! Lifetime Supporter

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    I though they happened on 42nd street.
     
  11. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    That was a miracle that the Cincinnati Kid lost that game of flip the coin at the wall at the end of "The Cincinnati Kid" with the orphan kid. Made some sense come into his heart for the blonde.
     
  12. junglejack

    junglejack aiko aiko

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    Before anyone attempts to use the miracle argument -get them to explain what they think a ‘miracle’ is and why. If they cannot explain how it can be proven that a natural cause for an event is impossible, their argument won’t work.
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    Really, I dont have an answer- I'm just stirring up the thread. . .Its mostly about faith.
    I hear people say "it,s a miracle" when a baby is born - or when a rainbow appears in the sky. - Obviously they,are natural reasons that make these events possible. Doesn't prove that there is a god or there isnt a god.
    Any event that is contrary to the established laws of nature , can make ya wonder though...- -and wondering about a god, about spirituality, about unexplainable phenomenons is OK-
    Wonder is a good thing - - - sometimes its more about the questions then the answers-
     
  13. Indy Hippy

    Indy Hippy Zen & Bearded

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    Have you proof of a deity's benevolence or it's attentiveness?
     
  14. guerillabedlam

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    Miracles are the equivalent of positive statistical outliers in nature, more specifically the human experience.

    Some people tend to use the term 'Miracle' very loosely and slap that term onto anything they deem 'special' when in fact that phenomena may be a pretty frequent or common occurrence. So there may be some deviation based on definition but as how I define miracles, they aren't necessarily a "proof" of God.
     
  15. happilyinlove

    happilyinlove with myself :p

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    The idea of miracles give hope. Whether its God or statistics, to me doesn't matter.
     
  16. Agathodaimon

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    How low of a probability does something have to have before it becomes a miracle?

    A: Beyond our ability to predict
     
  17. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    Right, miracles are observed in retrospect. The case where a person judges a miracle to be the experience at the moment for needed divine inspiration is just living ordinary goodness beyond scepticism.
     
  18. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    not a proof of god, but a proof, if of anything, that we live in a universe stranger then what we think we know about it. with or without, one or more gods, and/or whatever else may see fit to exist.

    proof, if any be needed, that there is more then we imagine or can.
     
  19. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    Nope, 34th Street ;)
     
  20. scratcho

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    What are we--some kind of experiment by some kind of observer? If there is an observer, doesn't it believe in intervention into the pain and death we cause each other? If an observer condones the endless strife humans have wrought upon one another--and still do, I can only see sadism as a dominant characteristic of that observer. Sadly. Make a touchdown--point to the sky--a divine miracle indeed.

    Guerilla has it , I think. Post 14
     

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