Are Greeks europeans?

It's obvious only albino greeks are aryan enough to be considered european.

 

regarding both of the above comments:

not european but europoid or caucasian. european is not a race. thus european =/= white. I implyed that caucasian = white, which I was semi-joking of course. But generally speaking greeks = mediterranean = caucasian = white.

greeks used to have light hair and eyes. it's after 400 years of turk. invasion they sorta turned into black haired dark eyed. there are still people here with light hair and light eyes and pale skin, quite a lot of them actually.

the thing is that people who live today in greece might have very little to do with greece just as any other people living in any other country. it's all been mixed for good.

 

what about eastern europeans...

oh well, the only think that should be separated by color is laundry.

 

eastern europeans = caucasian

just google caucasian race and see the sub-groups, there are a lot of them

 

there's no such thing as race, so i will refrain from googling.

 

perhaps you should refrain from participation in a discussion about race as well. just saying

race = classification of humans. racism is a bad baaad thing. but that's beside the point

 

The Turks are a mixed race. I have studied this subject for quite some time. They are a mixed people of Persian, Mongol and steppe decent. I can't be blamed for repeating what most scholars believe. Perhaps I am wrong and perhaps the general historical and scientific observations are wrong. But it is what it is. And on a side note the Turks are NOT native to Asia Minor. Armenians , Greeks and Assyrians where the original inhabitants.

 

Perhaps you should look into Greek and Turkish history predating Greece’s roman occupation...

 

i am wondering how many of the participants of this thread have a) been to greece b) been to europe c) been to school .............. or is their experience 2nd hand?

i am also thinking that the OP was written as a wind up.

finally, the extent of both the greek and the roman empires as well as the moorish occupation of southern europe ( spain/potrugal ) and over many many hundreds of years THERE IS NO PURE RACE, get a grip!!!! a people is defined by it's culture, so said the romans. in ancient times you could be celtic by birth but if you adopted the roman way of life you became a roman, civis romanum sum. they weren't too fussy or bothered about what colour you were. nowadays we seem to have this fixation that people should be ghettoised into race. my family is so mixed race and my kids even more so that we live in a truely multicultural household so where would you put us? in the europe ghetto because that's where we currently live?

we recently had a tv programme about anglo saxons, and people who claimed to be pure white anglo saxons put themselves up to be DNA tested. some really prim stuck up woman was horrified to discover that she had sub-saharan genes going back 600-700 years. we laughed our socks off!

incidentally, aryan is a word that comes from sanskrit and refers to peoples of indo/asia minor extract.

surely it's only uneducated ignorant rednecks and bigots who don't believe they could possibly have any other genetic mix....too many twit genes/inbreeding probably makes them the way they are.

why is it such an issue as to what a person is? celebrate the culture of greece which is as rich as it is ancient rather than worry about what colour they are.

 

^^^ :2thumbsup:

 

erm, sorry.......spartans (pre-roman) minoans (def pre roman)trojans (also pre roman and settled in the are which is now modern turkey) the turkish didn't exist then as a culture.....which bit exactly. alexander the great pushed the greek empire as far as india.....so there would have been trading etc and of course intermarriages. perhaps you need to inform yourself before you post and understand the individual cultures of all the ancient peoples and kingdoms of the modern european country known as greece.

 

I might argue that the culture of the ancient greeks has nothing to do with today greeks (especially culture-wise)
Race is not only defined by colour of course and mixed races can still be defined by their origins. It is not an issue but it's interesting nevertheless. Yeah, the whole aryan thing is pretty ridicilous, just like jingo-ism and every other form of discrimination by race. We (humans globally) have only relatively recently been trying to look past all that though.

 

well the culture of ancient greece has little to do with today's greek guy who was born in a family of albanians and all he knows is how he actually hates greeks for not treating him nicely.

it also has little to do with a today's greek guy who was born in a family of pontian greeks and thinks that pontian greeks are the top greeks of all times.

then again there are greeks and all kinds of immigrants living here in greece who adjust to greek society, trying to contribute to it as best as they can. Regardless of their dna, they are greeks to me. Just as Sea Breeze pointed out - it's about culture

 

this is a really good point about what remains of the ancient culture but kids when they are in the first grade in their history lessons learn about the ancient greek deity system. when my kids were in school and i asked why i was told that greek history to the modern day is based on ancient mythology. the language although it has come through a linguistic evolution is not too far removed from ancient greek, and i don't mean the dimotico but the katharevoussa. i would also imagine that there are also traces of the ancient greek diet in the modern greek cuisine. my in laws lived in the country and their oven was a clay oven outdoors, a very ancient way of cooking in greece....they were practically totally self sufficient and i imagine a lot of the techniques they used for preserving food without modern technology was based on old principles possibly unchanged for many years. my mother in law also carded spun and wove by hand and without the used of modern machinery to make flokati. so it (ancient culture) hasn't all disappeared entirely. but we can say that of most cultures - they don't really disappear, they just evolve.

the race thing tho is absolutely ridiculous.....

 

language and cuisine play essential role in greek society. if you have a grasp of those 2, you are almost greek, λέμε τώρα

 

akrivos paithimou....ach pos tha ithela na boreso na grapso me tin elliniki alphavito!!!!

language, cuisine as well as religion tend to be the backbone of most cultures.

 

Ελλάδα για πάντα στις καρδιές μας

 

^ Ithaka by Constantine P Cavafy a greek poet

 

this is a thread about geography and perhaps ethnic origin, but not race. sorry.

 

are you sure? sorry