Are Americans Racist?

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  1. McFuddy

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    Never heard that term before but if I take your meaning correctly I would say yes, and have been for centuries.
     
  2. thedope

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    Not that europe has been content being a continent contending with a collection of countries.
     
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  3. thedope

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    People in general are inclined to clique. We find those most agreeable whom we agree with.
     
  4. drumminmama

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    Or Jews or Indians. In my lifetime.

    In the US, because politically and socially that's what I have a deep knowledge of, race and class are almost indistinguishable.
    People with less education, less capital, less option because of the first two are exemplified by the hue of their skin.

    Most people who say I don't see color actually have a number for the people of different color they count as close friends.
    There's a paternalistic attitude about it. And it's the same impulse that brought us Indian Schools (to kill off their languages and cultures) and vocational Ed that was used to siphon all students of color out of the nominally college track in high schools.

    Those who don't want to face the racially based attitudes they have often "do a lot of good" for "the less fortunate."
    Is it a good thing that the impulse to help is there? Yes. Is it a good thing that the high school students required to perform community service go specifically to a different area of town specifically to do this service because the area is majority black, Hispanic, or immigrant from anywhere? Yeah, mostly.
    You know what attitudes many of these upper middle and higher economic class (and predominately white) students have after the couple of days' work tends to be?
    That everyone needs them to come in and save them.

    So they go into management, they raise kids, they go into politics....and they see Other.

    When we understand that we are different, and that makes us what we are, can be a source of strength, and that when all members of a society benefit when everyone has ample opportunities for education, employment, family building however that is defined, and free creative time, we become a better nation.

    Thing is, we don't know how to build that opportunity in the remains of a society that used one section as free labor based on appearance. (This also points to equal gender access)
    We have to figure how to implement equal access in the face of personal attitudes.
    We do , in fact have to legislate morality in this sphere.
    But how do we change the attitudes that hold anyone back? The attitude that whitey has it out for you? The attitude that some don't want a better life?(and what does that look like to the society and individuals)

    I hear the New Black Panther Party speak fairly often, living in Huey's hood.
    They have valid points, but sadly these articulate, intelligent men see a revolution that they do not intend to survive.
    They expect to leave widows and orphans. And there us no after the revolution vision. Not even for the orphans.
    That is the key to failure, there. Tunnel vision.
     
  5. drumminmama

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    There's truth in this. However, as a former reporter who covered three levels of government with the occasional national story, I can tell you being a political junkie focused on city/town, county and state politics can take up a lot of time and mental energy.
    Where I grew up, we had 215 counties. About triple that for large towns to cities. Then one of the worst state governments in existence.
    That state may have given us LBJ and the Great Society, but look what is has churned out for the presidential stage since.
    Congressional is another story. Texans have been on both sides of history all along.
    By the time I'm up to date on my city, county and state, I am taking in national issues through a local lens. I literally have to catch up in a news frenzy on a day off from work, just to have the time. And I'm depending on some broadcasts, mostly radio, but I'll sublim local on that day by watching the local television news' Web page.
    International tends to get focus as a side dish, not the main news course.

    I do hold that if we got rid of celebrity gossip, sports and cute kitty stories, we could broadcast more hard news. But I felt the same in England.
     
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  7. McFuddy

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    No, it makes sense that richer countries with better school systems would test better than poorer countries. There's a racist element if you choose to misconstrue that data as some kind of proof that race has anything to do with those numbers.
     
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  8. RichardTheFrog

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    The reason they ARE the richer countries (industrialized) is because they invented more technology. The reason they have the better school systems is because they came up with the subjects in the first place.

    Calculus = Isaac Newton. Biology = Darwin and others. Geology = Lyell. Physics = Newton, Einstein. Chemistry = Bohr, etc.
     
  9. Tyrsonswood

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    Here we go again... [​IMG]
     
  10. McFuddy

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    Really? So you think Greeks are naturally better at geometry because Pythagoras was Greek? I hope you understand that's a ridiculous non sequitur.

    I'm curious as to what your point actually is.
     
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  11. RichardTheFrog

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    I wasn't really taking about Greece. More of Western Europe.

    But, put it this way..... how long do you think it would have taken for the Australian Aborigines to invent the Large Hadron Collider?[​IMG][​IMG]

    I am not a racist. And certainly no Nazi. But I think white people are scared to be proud of themselves.
     
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  12. Nerdanderthal

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    By happenstance, Africans and Eurasians diverged geographically around 100,000 years ago. Asians and Europeans around 40,000 years ago. Neanderthals had MUCH larger cranial capacities and interbred with these lighter skinned primates. The potential garnered by having larger brain weights and volumes eventually led to multiple intellectual and scientific discoveries compounding on top of each other, and resulting in the natural selection of certain humans that were much more adept at handling abstract concepts and engaging in critical thinking (IQ). I'm black and even I can admit this.
     
  13. Tyrsonswood

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    Why would they want to?
     
  14. RichardTheFrog

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    Neanderthals did not breed with homo sapiens. Homo sapiens caused the extinction of Neanderthals. All Homo sapiens evolved from Homo heidelbergensis in Africa.

    And I am white and I can recognize that white people have done more in science and technology, but I never said we were superior.

    I just did 4 years and you can see in prison that more often that not, it's the black guys "outsmarting" the white guys. Mainly just because they know that if it comes down to a fight, the black guy would win 99% of the time. But most people in prison are not racist anyway.

    Since I'm coming across like some sort of white supremacist, I am actually not. I can say that I am actually jealous of black (and other races) genetics at times because they seem to age better and more muscle mass, etc. Plus all the girls like hip-hop these days.

    I never said that Bill Gates was the epitome of human existence.
     
  15. RichardTheFrog

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    Why wouldn't they? To discover the secrets of the universe?

    Maybe they would get tired of hunting kangaroos and want an easier life using technology. Wouldn't they like refrigeration and air-conditioning?
     
  16. Tyrsonswood

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    I think they are pretty content doing what they do.
     
  17. Nerdanderthal

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    Dude don't just parrot things you heard as a kid. Do a quick search. We did breed with Neanderthals, Europeans and Asians walking around today have somewhere around 1-4% Neanderthal DNA. http://discovermagazine.com/2013/march/14-interbreeding-neanderthals

    Not to be rude but your anecdotal prison experience is not good evidence of anything and to present it to anyone as if it holds any intellectual implications is daft at best.
     
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  18. RichardTheFrog

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    We did not breed with Neanderthals. The earliest humans in Europe, known as Cro Magnon, caused their extinction.

    Source:

    "The Origins of Man" by Dr. Douglas Palmer

    http://www.amazon.com/Origins-Man-Douglas-Palmer/dp/1845371658/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1416742337&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Origins+of+Man+Palmer
     
  19. Nerdanderthal

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    That's a book from 2007. There have been recent studies which show that we STILL CARRY NEADERTHAL DNA. Would you please refute this article http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/confirmation-human-neanderthal-interbreeding

    or one of the thousands of similar ones you can easily access through a google search?
     
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  20. McFuddy

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    That's all well and good, although it has zero to do with what I was responding to. Richard is making the rather asinine argument that if something is developed in an area, than the people of that area have an advantage in that particular subject. So somehow since Isaac Newton being an Englishman, somehow western Europeans naturally do better in physics at school because they come from the same continent (western part of that continent) as Newton did. If he were making the case as you are here, I probably would not have taken issue with it as I did.
     
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