Arafat dead?

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  1. BraveSirRubin

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    I guess that the IRA members valued thier families to such an extent that they did not hide with them, when knowing that intelligence would find them.
     
  2. Paul

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    so if they did 'hide' at home with their families then bulldozing their homes would have been ok?

    You are so wrong and so bloody clueless I don't think I can be bothered with this.
     
  3. showmet

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    This is fatuous... IRA fighters were of course normal people with normal families ... the British however did not pursue a policy of overwhelming force in destroying their family homes because this would result in the killing of many innocents.
     
  4. showmet

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    The peace process and ceasefire came about by a process of negotiation and compromise, not by overwhelming force. For someone who is so quick and eager to accuse others of ignorance, you don't seem to know your international history... try reading up on it:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_peace_process
     
  5. BraveSirRubin

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    The IRA did not directly target civilians, the British did not need to use extreme measures.
     
  6. BraveSirRubin

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    So wrong and clueless? You have not been there! You are taking a one sided biased step to this... you know nothing!
     
  7. Claire

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    Hmm... what about the car bombs?
     
  8. BraveSirRubin

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    It was still mostly towards military targets. Plus, the numbers are not even comparable... the Palestinians usually ONLY target civilians.
     
  9. Claire

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    what about the bomb in the middle of Manchester City Centre?... and let me remind you that it was YOU that brought this comparison up in the first place Mr Rubin:p
     
  10. BraveSirRubin

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    Alrighty then, I shall admit that the IRA also used such measures, but not in the intensity or the quantity in which the terrorists in Israel use it.
     
  11. showmet

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    Righty, so at what point exactly does it become OK to shoot children Mr Rubin?
     
  12. BraveSirRubin

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    Never. When does it become OK to target civilians in suicide bombings?

    I have never said that I support some of the Israeli tactics, but I do support the operation itself. If Israel would sit and do nothing, nothing would come out of it... Barak tried it, he offered Arafat all of the territories and part of Jerusalem, and Arafat declined. With Arafat's death, a prospect of a new government, and peace talks that will actually be worth something... not like the ones with Arafat, whose actions contradicted all of his words.
     
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    was arafat just a polotician??? should i care that hes dead???
    was he a goody???
     
  15. Claire

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    What do you think?:)
     
  16. BraveSirRubin

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    If you do not know who he is, then you have a whole lot of ground to cover before stating an opinion.
     
  18. Paul

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    If you don't know about him then here's a good place to learn:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Arafat
     
  19. Paul

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    I agree, that's why I said IRA related incidents. There were many more than that, the source is unreliable. It was just meant as an indication on who the IRA were targetting. Here is another which still misses stuff out.

    http://www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk/mainland.htm


    http://www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk/deaths.htm
     
  20. showmet

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    I'm glad at last you are showing some awareness that there is unacceptable wrongdoing on both sides.

    So ... you disapprove of the shooting of kids, that's a start. Where exactly do you draw the line in your support of Israeli tactics in occupied Palestine? How many civilians are you prepared to see killed, precisely? What's an acceptable number?
     

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