applying bible principles

rjhangover · Oct 2, 2013

scratcho said:

Well, at least adherents have choices--An eye for an eye or turn the other cheek. Just pick what you like.
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Talk about contradictions in the bible.......

rjhangover · Oct 2, 2013

rjhangover said:

Every astronomer — besides Occultists and Astrologers — knows that, figuratively, the astral light, the milky way, and also the path of the Sun to the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn, as well as the circles of the Sidereal or Tropical year, were always called “Serpents” in the allegorical and mystic phraseology of the adepts.
This, cosmically, as well as metaphorically. Poseidon is a “Dragon”: “Chozzar, called by the profane Neptune” (Peratae Gnostics); the “Good and Perfect Serpent,” the Messiah of the Naaseni, whose symbol in Heaven is Draco.
But one ought to discriminate between the characters of this symbol. For instance: Zoroastrian Esotericism is identical with that of the Secret Doctrine; and when, as an example, we read in the Vendidad complaints uttered against the “Serpent,” whose bites have transformed the beautiful, eternal spring of Airyana-Vaego, changing it into winter, generating disease and death, at the same time as mental and psychic consumption, every occultist knows that the Serpent alluded to is the north pole, as also the pole of the heavens.* The latter produces the seasons according to the angle at which it penetrates the centre of the earth. The two axes were no more parallel; hence the eternal spring of Airyana Vaego by the good river Daitya had disappeared, and “the Aryan Magi had to emigrate to Sagdiani” — say the exoteric accounts. But the esoteric teaching states that the pole had passed through the equator, and that the “land of bliss” of the Fourth Race, its inheritance from the Third, had now become the region of desolation and woe. This alone ought to be an incontrovertible proof of the great antiquity of the Zoroastrian Scriptures. The Neo-Aryans of the post-diluvian age could, of course, hardly recognise the mountains, on the summits of which their forefathers had met before the Flood, and conversed with the pure “Yazathas” (celestial Spirits of the Elements), whose life and food they had once shared. As shown by Eckstein (Revue Archeologique, 8th year, 1885), “the Vendidad seems to point out a great change in the atmosphere of central Asia; strong volcanic eruptions and the collapse of a whole range of mountains in the neighbourhood of the Kara-Korum chain.”

The Egyptians, according to Eusebius, who for once (and for a wonder) wrote the truth, symbolised Kosmos by a large fiery circle, representing a serpent with a hawk’s head lying across its diameter. “Here we have the pole of the earth within the plane of the ecliptic, attended with all the fiery consequences that must arise from such a state of the heavens: when the whole Zodiac in 25,000 (odd) years, must have reddened with the solar blaze, and each sign must have been vertical to the polar region.” (See Mackey’s “Sphinxiad.”)
Meru — the abode of the gods — was placed, as before explained, in the North Pole, while Patala, the nether region, was supposed to lie in the South. As each symbol in esoteric philosophy has seven keys, geographically, Meru and Patala have one significance and represent localities; while astronomically, they have another, and mean “the two poles,” which meanings ended by their being often rendered in exoteric sectarianism — the “Mountain” and the “Pit,” or Heaven and Hell. If we hold at present only to the astronomical and geographical significance, it may be found that the ancients knew the topography and nature of the Arctic and Antarctic regions better than any of our modern astronomers; they had reasons, and good ones for naming one the “Mountain” and the other the “Pit.” As the author just quoted half explains, Helion and Acheron meant nearly the same: “Heli-on is the Sun in the highest” (Helios, Heli-on, the “most high”); “and Acheron is 32 deg. above the pole, and 32 below it, the allegorical river being thus supposed to touch the northern horizon in the latitude of 32 degrees. The vast concave, that is for ever hidden from our sight and which surrounded the southern pole, being therefore called the Pit, while observing, toward the Northern pole that a certain circuit in the heavens always appeared above the horizon — they called it the Mountain. As Meru is the high abode of the Gods, these were said to ascend and descend periodically; by which (astronomically) the Zodiacal gods were meant, the passing of the original North Pole of the Earth to the South Pole of the heaven.” “In that age,” adds the author of that curious work, the “Sphinxiad” and of “Urania’s Key to the Revelations” — “at noon, the ecliptic would be parallel with the meridian, and part of the Zodiac would descend from the North Pole to the north horizon; crossing the eight coils of the Serpent (eight sidereal years, or over 200,000 solar years), which would seem like an imaginary ladder with eight staves reaching from the earth up to the pole, i.e., the throne of Jove. Up this ladder, then, the Gods, i.e., the signs of the Zodiac, ascended and descended. (Jacob’s ladder and the angels) . . . . It is more than 400,000 years since the Zodiac formed the sides of this ladder.” . . . .
This is an ingenious explanation, even if it is not altogether free from occult heresy. Yet it is nearer the truth than many of a more scientific

and especially theological character. As just said, the Christian trinity was purely astronomical from its beginning, which made Rutilius say — of those who euhemerized it — “Judaea gens, radix stultorum.”
But the profane, and especially the Christian fanatics, ever in search of scientific corroboration for their dead-letter texts, will persist in seeing in the celestial pole the true Serpent of Genesis, Satan, the Enemy of mankind, instead of what it is — a cosmic metaphor. When the gods are said to forsake the earth, it does not only mean the gods, protectors and instructors, but also the minor gods — the regents of the Zodiacal signs. Yet, the former, as actual and existing Entities which gave birth to, nursed, and instructed mankind in its early youth, appear in every Scripture, in that of the Zoroastrians as much as in the Hindu Gospels. Ormazd, or Ahura-Mazda, the “Lord of Wisdom,” is the synthesis of the Amshaspends (or Amesha-Spenta — “Immortal Benefactors”),* the “Word,” however, or the Logos and its six highest aspects in Mazdyanism. These “Immortal Benefactors” are described in Zamyad yasht as the “Amesha-Spentas, the shining, having efficacious eyes, great, helpful . . . . imperishable and pure which are all seven of like mind, like speech, all seven doing alike . . . . which are the creators and destroyers of the creatures of Ahura-Mazda, their creators and overseers, their protectors and rulers . .
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Dang, I meant to put this in the HUMAN EVOLUTION thread. Oh well it kinda fits here too.

I should also point out that this is from The Secret Doctrine....I'm not trying to plagiarize.

relaxxx · Oct 6, 2013

MyWORDiTtruth said:

"a mild tongue can break a bone"

Have you ever really actually applied a bible principle? try it, you will be amazed at the results
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Some common sense and real insight into human nature will get you further.

thedope · Oct 6, 2013

relaxxx said:

Some common sense and real insight into human nature will get you further.
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That statement is real insight into human affinities. Human nature is animal nature whereas complex human behavior is not the behavior of a fox for example.

Another similar statement is a kind word turns away wrath or an apology eases anger or we find those most agreeable whom we agree with.

relaxxx · Oct 7, 2013

Some parts of the bible do seem like basic guidelines for psychopathic idiots. "here, memorize these anecdotes and try not to kill anyone". Then there's the contradictions, "well if God tells you to kill... you don't want to piss God off." Now let's not forget the most important subliminal message of the Christian faith... " Even if it turns out that voice in you head wasn't God telling you to kill, That's alright too, because Jesus died for your sins".

The Bible, it's everything you want it to be.

thedope · Oct 7, 2013

relaxxx said:

Some parts of the bible do seem like basic guidelines for psychopathic idiots.
The Bible, it's everything you want it to be.
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I agree within the boundaries of what it is. That is the bible cannot become a submarine. Being a book the bible is repository for symbols and symbols can be taken to mean anything. Taken as a book instead of a revered object it is much more comprehensible and it becomes easier to discuss in a sensible manner.

If we were to define god as the devotion we invoke or examine the human portion that we can identify experientially of the supposed god human relationship we could apprehend the experiential basis for those who say the bible is god's word. They say that the bible while being physically written by men was inspired by the spirit of god and they would be accurate given the above definition.

What makes the statement accurate is their agreement with it's value. When someone says that anyone is profound or silly they are reflecting on their own level of apprehension or perceived value. That is self is recognized by self.

As to those who say god speaks to them it is an extension of what we all say or experience when we proclaim anything speaking at the urging of our good cause or judgment. We all have a sense of rightness and sensations lead to symbolic representations. We might feel an urgent sense of important good cause and call it being inspired by god or inspired by good cause. Certainly the statement, Some parts of the bible do seem like basic guidelines for psychopathic idiots, is made because it represents an apparent truth. The apparent truth of that statement is another way of saying, the devil made them do it.

In synopsis if the bible can be taken to mean anything then it can be taken as informative as well as basic guidelines for psychopathic idiots and to apprehend the truth of human phenomena we need honor or meaningfully account for every perspective. I have met scant few irredeemably insane.

MyWORDiTtruth · Oct 9, 2013

I was once a US Marine Infantryman and also a US Army Infantryman..so, you could say I was a psychopath created by the US government. My father was an abusive alcoholic who whipped and beat me continually over any and everything.. I solved all my problems by either screaming or fighting. No matter how much I tried over the years, I still responded the same way.

Anaximenes · Oct 9, 2013

MyWORDiTtruth said:

I was once a US Marine Infantryman and also a US Army Infantryman..so, you could say I was a psychopath created by the US government. My father was an abusive alcoholic who whipped and beat me continually over any and everything.. I solved all my problems by either screaming or fighting. No matter how much I tried over the years, I still responded the same way.
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B. F. Skinner had that theory. You could apply "Behaviourism" to a reading of the Bible as well, particularly Genesis or Ecclesiates.

thedope · Oct 9, 2013

Anaximenes said:

B. F. Skinner had that theory. You could apply "Behaviourism" to a reading of the Bible as well, particularly Genesis or Ecclesiates.
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from wikipedia
A common misconception is that negative reinforcement is synonymous with punishment. This misconception is rather pervasive, and is commonly found in even scholarly accounts of Skinner and his contributions. To be clear, while positive reinforcement is the strengthening of behavior by the application of some event (e.g., praise after some behavior is performed), negative reinforcement is the strengthening of behavior by the removal or avoidance of some aversive event (e.g., opening and raising an umbrella over your head on a rainy day is reinforced by the cessation of rain falling on you).
Let your answer be yes or no but let your no be your yes also.
or
Lead us not into temptation but (also) deliver us from evil.

Self denial is the improper use of denial.

Anaximenes · Oct 9, 2013

thedope said:

from wikipedia
A common misconception is that negative reinforcement is synonymous with punishment. This misconception is rather pervasive, and is commonly found in even scholarly accounts of Skinner and his contributions. To be clear, while positive reinforcement is the strengthening of behavior by the application of some event (e.g., praise after some behavior is performed), negative reinforcement is the strengthening of behavior by the removal or avoidance of some aversive event (e.g., opening and raising an umbrella over your head on a rainy day is reinforced by the cessation of rain falling on you).
Let your answer be yes or no but let your no be your yes also.
or
Lead us not into temptation but (also) deliver us from evil.

Self denial is the improper use of denial.
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O.K., but I think I was helping the kid anyway.:2thumbsup:

thedope · Oct 9, 2013

I don't know who is helped but I speak to anyone with ears to hear.

tikoo · Oct 11, 2013

to bow and to bend we shall not be ashamed

JKHolman · Oct 25, 2013

Meatymushroom,

twenty-one years old and you know everything about life. My, you really are full of your own conceit.

- JKHolman

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