Anyone else think the moon landing was a fake?

Just because signals are transmitted to and from craft sailing through cislunar space, and signals travel to and from craft landed on the moon, this does not mean men/women were sailing/have sailed through cislunar space. It does not mean men/women operated said equipment from cislunar space or placed said equipment by hand upon the surface of the moon.

Ivory62, I believe we both agree that an Apollo 11 vintage LRRR is located roughly at lunar coordinates 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east. (These are the "old" official Apollo 11/Eagle landing site coordinates, "changed" in 1987 by the work of Merton Davies. Let's use the "old" coordinates for the time being as they would be referable to the coordinates as given in the November 1969 published Apollo 11 Mission Report. Our choice of coordinate vintage does not change the substance of this particular argument.) You believe Armstrong/Aldrin placed the LRRR down on the moon's surface. I do not believe such to be the case. I do not believe that a man placed the Apollo 11 LRRR on the Tranquility Base powder. I would suggest the Tranqility LRRR was robotically placed as was the case with the Russian LRRRs.

No one, certainly not me, is saying that US space equipment was not launched on July the 16th 1969. No one is saying equipment did not traverse cislunar space. No one is saying radio signals did not pass between American space program equipment that was in earth orbit, cislunar space, lunar orbit , or on the moon itself. No one is saying that photons were not bounced off a Tranquility Base LRRR for the first time early on the morning of 08/01/1969 by the team of astronomers (Wampler, Robinson, Miller) at Lick Observatory on Mt. Hamiltion. No one is claiming that photons are to this day not bounced off said LRRR. I claim only that men were not landed on the moon 07/20/1969. I claim that the Saturn Vs of Apollo vintage were primarily concerned with the launching of weapons packages, not trios of astronauts that sought to, and succeeded in, landing upon the lunar surface.

By the way, last year when my group first became interested in Apollo, I communicated regularly with Lick Observatory astronomer Joseph Wampler about the LRRR issue, not to mention other things as well. Professor Wampler gave me permission to write freely about what we two discussed, what he told me. I will share a bit of that as time goes on here. I have also communicated directly with Apollo Program Lunar Scientist/Geologist Donald Beattie, and several flight officers as well. I may or may not share some of that material with the group here.

Onward.......

I can say, with absolute certainty, and for many reasons, that Apollo is/was/and forever shall be big time fraudulent. I'll give you one little example of a bogus aspect of the Apollo yarn right now that demonstrates incontrovertibly Apollo's inauthenticity.

In order to be reinstated to flight status, in order to be cleared to fly and command the Apollo 14 mission, Alan Shepard's Meniere's Disease(vertigo) had to be CURED. Not only the "disease" in his known afflicted left ear, but his alleged unaffected right ear had to be treated in a prophylactic sense as well. Meniere's not infrequently affects both ears and symptoms can develop AT ANY TIME IN A PREVIOUSLY UNAFFECTED EAR. In addition to concerns about vertigo, Shepard's 40dB left ear hearing loss had to be corrected, or the problem at least had to be improved upon. This was all said to have been achieved by the insanely famous world class otolaryngologist, William House. Only problem was, then, as now, and as forever more, operating on an ear by way of stent/shunt decompression, just as House allegedly did in Shepard's case, can never correct a well established 40 dB hearing loss. It cannot return a person's hearing to normal, though that was indeed claimed in the case of Shepard. There is not one case in all the world of otolaryngologic medical literature, but that one case of Alan Shepard, where this has been claimed. That much established hearing loss has been recovered. As such, we know this all to be a lie. Additionally, and most importantly, though stenting/shunting a Meniere's Disease affected system as House allegedly did for Shepard can indeed lead to amelioration of Meniere's based symptoms(VERTIGO) arising due to disease in the problem ear, it by no means guarantees vertiginous symptoms will not arise at a later date due to NEW DISEASE DEVELOPING IN THE PREVIOUSLY UNINVOLVED CONTRALATERAL EAR. House's operating on Shepard's left ear, could not have guaranteed his right ear would be OK for ever more thereafter. Which of course it would have to be if he were to command Apollo 14. As such, we know Shepard's claimed cure was a LIE, and as such, we find all of Apollo to be FRAUDULENT, right along with Shepard, the once phony astronaut administrator and Apollo 14 monwalking PRETENDER.

If you would be so kind Ivory62 as to provide us one example in all of the medical literature, from any country, by any physician, by any respectable practitioner, or even a quack, if you so please, wherein a 40 dB established hearing loss due to Meniere's Disease based pathophysiology was corrected/remedied by a shunt procedure of the kind House allegedly performed on Shpard, provide us Ivory62 with a single case where a Meniere's sufferer who had vertigo due to disease of the left ear was guaranteed to not develop disease in his/her right ear after left ear surgery, well then, we'll all agree maybe Apollo ain't so FAKE. But you shan't be able to do this Ivory62. You shan't be able to prove that Shepard wasn't a heiny jive peddling FRAUD of a puke faced bogus ain'tstronaut.

You see.... We've got a million of 'em, my friends and I do , we can go on like this all night, and we do as a matter of fact, tearing the ain'tstronauts new ones on a quotidian basis, pointing out one Apollo narative inconsistency, internal incoherency after the next. We've eviscerated that smelly, foul , putrid, fetid puke job of a bogus space fairly tale. We are sick of it. We've already taken Apollo down, and now we plan to tell everyone in the world about it.

Live with it.....

 

Our main reason for this type of forum work is simply to document the fraud explicitly, its details, in as many places as possible. I am sure we educate many along the way, as we ourselves become educated by learning of the important work that other groups do in the field of Apollo fraud exposure.

 

I give up. As I said on my one venture into the religious forums, i should have known better.

I'm off to talk to the perverts. At least their minds are open.

 

Sorry 'bout that Ivory62. I guess I did not, and still presumably do not, fully understand your point. I thought you were saying that they received a signal from Apollo astronauts with regularity in Australia. Which I suspect would have been the case, would indeed have occurred. So I am puzzled. Could you indulge me by asking the question a different way, reword it for me ? Thanx !

 

The Russians had everything to lose and nothing to gain by blowing the whistle on our fraudulent manned space program.

Think of it this way Ivory62, take a measured look at the MOL/ALMAZ thing. Both the US and the Russians had plans, ostensibly anyway, to man military reconnaissance platforms in space. Our program was called the MANNED ORBITING LAB(MOL, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manned_Orbiting_Laboratory), the Russian program was called ALMAZ(Diamond in the rough, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almaz). For the sake of this argument, at least to begin with, let's assume that the mainstream stories about the MOL and the Russian Almaz were true. (The youtube linked film below covers those mainstream stories for those unfamiliar with MOL/ALMAZ fundamentals.) As the mainstream tale goes, the US realized that unmanned military reconnaissance platforms would serve just as well as manned platforms, and so, the US MANNED ORBITING LAB PROGRAM was cancelled in the late 1960s. The Russians viewed things differently. They are said to have believed, at least into the mid 70s, that manned space reconnaissance platforms might confer an advantage over unmanned platforms, at least in some special circumstances. And so, the Russians went on to man their ALMAZ. The Russian ALMAZ was said to have had a cannon on board to blow away any would be killer satellites. The Russians in their manned ALMAZ, so the mainstream story goes, took pictures of US military targets from space with men manning the ALMAZ's cameras. The big "advantage" was said to have been that the Russians on board the ALMAZ could pick out important photos, and even though electronic transmission was slow, BY INTELLIGENTLY SELECTING THE MOST IMPORTANT IMAGES, at least those CRITICALLY MAN IDENTIFIED images of US military objectives could be seen pretty much in real time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMDZ6eF-45w"]Astrospies | Part 1/4 | cold war documentary - YouTube

This is the story as it is understood in the main now. Let's assume that to be the case. So if that was so, why did we not shout from the rooftops back in the 1970s that the Russians had a cannon wielding ALMAZ that was taking pictures of us? Certainly we knew about this. Even if the Russians argued the ALMAZ did not have a cannon , the thing was a manned MILITARY PLATFORM AND SO WAS A SPACE VEHICLE IN VIOLATION OF THE 1967 OUTTER SPACE TREATY, A TREATY TO WHICH WE, THE UNITED STATES, AND THE RUSSIANS WERE SIGNATORIES.

So we did not rat the Russians out because we were doing the same kind of stuff. What was Skylab? You don't think every US manned SPACE lab didn't do military reconnaissance?

The Russians would not dare rat on us because they were doing the very same thing. They were the first to possess an ICBM, first to launch an earth orbiting satellite, first to hard land(unmanned) on the moon, first to soft land (unmanned) on the moon, first woman in space. They had LRRRs just as we did.

Question; In the 1960s, what was the very best way to measure the strength of the earth's gravitational field?

Answer; Measure the earth-moon distance as precisely/accurately as possible.

Question; When targeting Moscow and Beijing and NYC and Washington DC with an ICBM, what is the single most important measurement that needs to be made, provided to the targeting solution?

Answer; Determining/measuring the strength of the earth's gravitational field.

Question; In the 1960s and 70s, when determining/measuring the earth's gravitational field strength for the purpose of providing ICBMs with one of several requisite parameters so said missile might find Moscow, Beijing, NYC, Washington DC, how was the all important gravitational field measured?

Answer; By way of measuring the Earth-Moon distance by way of LRRR derived data.

Also, the earth's gravitational field strength is NOT UNIFORM and LRRR derived data was used in helping to determine precisely/accurately this nonuniformity.

Both the Russians and US used LRRR derived data in their ICBM targeting solutions. That is not conjecture. It is simple fact. The Russians never said anything about that. Nor did we. NOR DO WE TODAY....

Back to Skylab. Of course the US Manned Orbiting Lab project was never really cancelled. It was realized in its SKYLAB incarnation. Likewise, DYNA-SOAR was never cancelled. (DYNA-SOAR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyna-soar) was nothing more, is nothing more , than our space shuttle.

The Russians never ratted us out because they were doing the same things. The Russians never pretended to go to the moon, but they were launching large military packages just like we did, and just like we did, turning around and then claiming those packages were connected to nothing more than peaceful manned program enterprises.

This aspect of US and Russian manned space efforts is of course by now obvious to most that study the US and Russian programs with any maintained intensity. Such a conclusion is inevitable. Seriously Ivory62, I bet you if you made a dedicated effort to study US and Russian civilian manned space efforts and US/Russian space based military efforts daily, for 2 hours each day for a year say, bet you that you would come to that conclusion yourself. Saturn V launches are military payload launches, nothing more, but certainly, NOTHING LESS......

 

Well I certainly hope you can converse on other topics, otherwise you wasted $50.

Posting great walls of text obsessing over a topic like you obviously do tends to spell forum death, either through banning for spamming great walls of text or through complete and total irrelevance where people just roll their eyes and don't even bother reading your posts.


R.I.P.

 

You saw a photo and the flag was moving? That's a clever photo!

When I was a kid I watched the moon landing, and the flag wasn't moving. In the film everyone has seen, the flag isn't moving. But you saw a photo, so the flag had to be moving. Yeah, right.

By the way, there's loads of wind in space - solar wind.

 

You forgot astronaut farts,Harpo....nothing is as welcome as a fart in an astronaut suit!

 

Vaccinations provide a good measure of protection.

The guy was a retard and/or wanted to know about the effects of whatever medication you're talking about WHILE IN SPACE, not on the ground.

They needed a guy who was sick, and so he was running around.

The guy toed the nasa line, and then when writing his own book, made a grab at glory.

WHY did this stuff occur? Because people are, by nature, fuckups, like you and how you spend your days and nights.

Are you not aware that the billion watt lazer beam used for ranging the moon spreads to something like 4 miles by the time it hits the surface, and that it would, in normal operation, fire around six times per minute? Plus or minus five miles is good enough to find the reflector in under a minute. Even in normal operation once the whole thing was well understood, missing a shot was not unheard of, or even uncommon. Yes, when there's a reflector on the moon astronomers are going to be in a tizzy about shooting it as fast as they can.

 

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Sure I am aware the laser spreads out. 2 miles is the figure the principal investigators typically give by the way.

If you look at one of my posts above, you'll see/read that when I first got into this, studying the Apollo fraud, I spent a fair amount of time communicating with/corresponding with Joseph Wampler. He was the astronomer actually present at Lick Observator on the big night. Professor Wampler informed me that NASA had calaimed they would be able to give the Lick Observatory staff the landing site coordinates to within tens of feet.

If you look here at an article written by Remmington Stone, the Lick Observatory Technician that worked with Wampler that evening and actually was the man responsible for targeting the laser, you'll learn that according to Stone, the Lick Observatory staff knew exactly where the Eagle was that very night, 07/20/1969, this, despite the fact that the launch FIDOs themselves, H. David Reed and the man on duty before him, the flight officers responsible for formulating a launch solution, had no idea where the Eagle was. How do you like them phony space apples RooRshack?

http://www.ucolick.org/news/2009/apollo11.pdf

http://news.ucsc.edu/2009/07/3111.html

Joe Wampler said the only time they ever got all the money they could possibly ever want and then some, in the entire history of doing projects there at Lick Observatory, was when they built the Apollo 11 ruby red ranging laser. By the way, the astronomers were told by the military guys involved in the project, and there were military guys, as you'll read if you study the tale of the flight of ruby light from Mount Hamilton to the moon that night, that the astronomers were in no uncertain terms to disclose the raw ranging data. The astronomers were told, erroneously, that the data provided UNIQUE AND OTHERWISE UNOBTAINABLE TRANSOCEANIC DISTANCE FIGURES, figures used for/needed in ICBM targeting.

The story given to the astronomers was that the distance across the great oceans was not known with the adequate accuracy/precision UNTIL laser ranging. Well of course that is not true. We were able to determine transoceanic distances with earth orbiting satellites that were ranged, and of course other techniques were used pre1969 that gave us transoceanic distances quite accurately. So the Astronomers were gamed in that regard. On the other hand, it was not a complete lie. Knowing the distance to the moon within a few meters, or perhapas even a few cenimeters if you care to believe some, this gives the strength of the the earth's gravitational field, and that field strength is indeed needed to target Moscow.

Over at McDonald Observatory in Texas, they too were trying to target the LRRR right away, 07/21/1969. As McDonald is east of Lick Observatory, they had to wait more or less until 07/21/1969, but they were still trying to target the LRRR in real time, target the LRRR while Armstrong and Aldrin were allegedly walking on the moon. The staff at McDonald University was lead by C.O. Alley, the University of Maryland Astronomer that was the Principal Investigator for all of the early LRRR experiments. If you have a subscription to SCIENCE MAGAZINE, you can search the archives from 1968 through 1972 and read those seminal papers by Alley and his colleague Faller. Wampler wrote a nice piece with Faller that appeared in Scientific American March 1970 about the Lick Laser. That is worth a go as well. The astronomers are approachable by the way and open to correspondence.

Over at McDonald Observatory, they used a blue green laser as a "finding tool". Blue-Green Laser light is quite visible, and as a matter of fact, was imaged with the Surveyor 7 camera in January of 1968. That is how CO Alley came up with the idea of putting an LRRR on the moon to measure distance and other things. Of course Alley was not a military guy. The soldiers wound up perverting the whole experiment. But anyway, the astronomers at McDonald were alsways trying to get Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins to see the Blue Green "finder laser". That is what you are reading in the Apollo 11 voice Transcript when they talk about getting the astronauts to tell them if they can see the laser.


This is a "quote" from the Apollo 11 Voice Transcript, 01 11 28 08(for the uninitiated, the numbers mean 1 day, 11 hours, 28 minutes, 8 seconds since the staged launch);


" CC Roger, Apollo 11. We've got a laser that we're going to - It's a blue-green laser that we're going to flash on and off at a frequency of on for a second, off for a second. It's coming out of McDonald Observatory near E1 Paso, which is - should be right on the terminator --or right inside the terminator. We are going to activate that momentarily. Would you please take a look through the telescope and see if you can see it. Over.

CMP Telescope? Or sextant?

CC Either one. Over.

CMP Okay, I'll try it _with the telescope; and if, I don't see it there, then I'll try the sextant.,

CC Roger. We'll give you the word when they've_ got it turned on. Over.

CMP Okay.

CC 11, Houston. They don't have it turned on yet. We'll give_ you the word when they got it turned
' on. Over.

CMP Okay.

CC Hello, Apollo 11. Houston. We noticed the CR¥O
pressure dropped a moment ago. Did you stir lip the CRYO's? Over.

CDR Roger. We've finished our cycling operations.·_

CC Roger. Copy. Out. '

CC Hello, Apollo 11. Houston. McDonald's got the laser turned on, Would you take a look?, Over.

CMP Okay, Charlie.


CC It's bluish-green.

CC 11, Houston. We got some shaft and._trunnion for you that might tweak it up a little bit. Shaft
of 141.5, trunnion of 39.5. Over. '[ .... _R Okay. Stand by. ..

CC Apollo 11, Houston. If you see it' it should be coming up - appear to be coming up,through the clouds. McDonald reports that_there's a break in the clouds that they're beaming this thing through. Over.

CDR Roger.

CC Hello, Apollo 11. Houston. You can terminate the exercise on the Laser. Our rates are steady
enough now for - to commence the PTC. Over.

LMP Okays Houston. Neither Neil nor Mike can see it. Incidentally_ those shafts and trunnions just
missed pointing at the world.

CC Roger. Thank you.

LMP As we are looking at it through the scanning telescope, it would be about a - oh, maybe a third of an Earth radii high and to the left.

CC Roger.

LMP But, we did - but we did identify the E1 Paso area and it appeared to us to be a break in the
clouds there, and we looked in that break and saw nothing.

CC Roger. Thank you much. Out.

CMP Houston, Apollo 11. Over. "

And there are other places where they do this, ask the astronauts if they can see the blue-green finder laser. The astronauts always deny seeing the McDonald Observatory Blue-Green laser whenever asked if they can see it. the reason of course is because they are not in cislunar space. If they could see it, see it from cislunar space or while on the moon, then they would have been asked to image it, just like the unmanned Surveyor 7 camera did. If you read the contemporaneous newspapers of the times, you'll note that the reporters were being told the scientists were hoping to "FIND" the astronauts and their LRRR, their CSM even, with the blue-green finder laser.

The ruby red lasers are the ones RooRshack was referring to in his post. Those lasers, there were two of them operating on 07/20/1969, one at Lick and one at McDo0nald, they would emit pulses of light, billionths of a second in duration were the pules. You wouldn't "see" this light in any conventional sense, though it could injure your eyes. It is light of a longer wavelength than the blue-green stuff that is readily visible and emmitted more or less continuously. The figure given by the scientists of the times in terms of the ruby red light beams' diameters at the surface of the moon varies, but TWO MILES is the figure most often quoted. That means, if they had "shined" the light with the beam's center a half mile from the Eagle, they should have still hit the LRRR.

As you'll read in the Remmington Stone article linked above, they may well have had the exact coordinates that evening, the Lick Observatory staff, well off by 900 feet, essentially nothing; 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00 " east, so why didn't they hit the LRRR ? I'll leave that dangling participle for everyone to mull over. Just keep in mind, the Lick Observatory scientists knew the Eagle's landing site coordinates to within 900 feet while the astronauts were actually alleged to be walking around, and the flight officers had no idea where the Eagle was, all their solutions disagreeing by some 5 miles.

And so as my friends and I are fond of saying, LOST BIRD PROVES APOLLO INAUTHENTICITY. Below are a couple of links to one of Patrick's more memorable threads on the subject. You'll see, our group had taken things to a much higher level as compared with the original ApolloHoax postings back in 2011. Patrick gets 90% of the credit for his masterful writing. He did have plenty of help in the research department as he is the first to always draw the reader's attention to.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread837129/pg1

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread837129/pg9

The Apollo astronauts deny stars in a relative sense for many reasons. Note I am careful to indicate "in a relative sense". They cannot deny stars altogether. They cannot say they do not see stars as that would bring the fraudulenjt roof down immediately. They are inconsistent, but do deny stars at critical times. You can now understand one of the reasons why.

If they could see the brightest star in the sky, SIRIUS, then they could see the blue-green McDonald Observatory "finder" laser. The light of this laser was brighter than the light of the brightest star in the sky, Sirius. IF THEY SEE STARS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SEE SIRIUS AS WELL. MY FRIENDS AND I ACTUALLY WROTE TO SOME OF THE ASTRONAUTS REMINDING THEM OF THIS WAY BACK WHEN WE STARTED WITH ALL OF THIS. If the Apollo astronauts admitted to seeing the laser, then they would be told to image it and so forth. But how could they image the laser when the astronomers were the ones asking for the picture? The timing would dictate the light's position there in Texas. They had no foreknowledge of this and so a phony pic could not be made. And there were/are a dozen other variables that would have made a phony laser pic impossible in the context of the Apollo fraud. The whole phony mess would unravel as they are not on the moon.

Neil Armstrong said he did not see stars from the surface of the moon for several reasons. One of those reasons being he would be held accountable for describing and imaging the McDonald Observatory blue-green laser had he admitted he could see Sirius, Rigel. THE LASER BEING ALL THE BRIGHTER.

Moving on.

The point about INFLUENZA vaccination efficacy is a small one in the context of the Borman cislunar diarrhea fiasco/fraud. To deal with it swiftly here for openers, Influenza vaccine effectiveness/efficacy cannot be determined until sometime after an epidenic/pandemic/seasonal outbreak, only in hindsight. That said, 70% would have been a reasonable figure as a guess for the Hong Kong vaccine's efficacy/effectiveness in 1968/1969. Even if the vaccine were 90% effective, which as it turns out, IT MOST DEFINITELY WAS NOT, genuine, meaning non fraud insider physicians, would have been extremely concerned about the risk/predicament as described with Borman ill as he claimed to be. He could have easily had INFLUENZA, in the sense of his proclaimed symptoms. Those symptoms being so consistant with said illness. That is, were any of this real. By the way, typically diarrhea does not occur in adults with INFLUENZA, more common in children. Though diarrhea can be a problem in such a context(adult INFLUENZA), and when diarrhea is a problem, it is very difficult to deal with. The behavior of the physicians involved helps us to all to see how FAKE this was. These men, Charles Berry and company, were fraud insiders, bogus docs. They do not respond to the INFLUENZA threat as they should. They claimed that vaccine guarranteed the astronauts' immunity, which it did not, and were so frightened by the likes of a 1969 version of me that they had Samuel Phillips, the man in charge of the Apollo program and MINUTEMAN PROGRAM DIRECTOR write in a May 1969 National Geographic article that INFLUENZA was not a concern because of the vaccines. Very easy to spot, their fear around this. It was an anecdote they then regretted telling, but it was too late, the poop was out of the phony space bag.

Note how Borman did not even mention the diarrhea in the January 1969 LIFE Magazine article in which he claimed Seconal was responsible for his illness, and as mentioned previously, Borman even informed us in this article that he took seconal a second time to INTENTIONALLY MAKE HIMSELF ILL AGAIN. As such, he could see whether or not it was indeed the seconal that was responsible. Of course NO DOCTOR WOULD ALLOW THAT TO OCCUR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53iSQC3-45M"]Borman Is A Lyin' Apollo Fraud PERP - YouTube


Keep in mind all the newspapers had carried the story featuring Borman with diarrhea, and in Andrew Chaikin's revered, A MAN ON THE MOON, the diarrhea floats about stinking things up, vomitus hitting astronauts in the chest, and this stuff is all supposed to be infectious. Charles Berry ultimately says Borman had viral gastroenteritis. But the point here is Borman realizes, is informed, that the diarrhea thing was a botch, were it true, they'd all be sicker 'n' hell, checking the food supplies, culturing the ship, wahsing their hands, and on and on and on. So he DROPS IT, LEAVES IT OUT OF THE LIFE MAGAZINE ARTICLE. Watch him when he gives talks about the Apollo 8 journey. Every now and then some auduience member or someone will bring up the illness. they are VERY CAREFUL TO NEVER NEVER NEVER TALK ABOUT THE DAIRRHEA FLOATING ABOUT THE CABIN. Were they to do that, even modern day NASA aerospace engineers might get sus[picious. Certainly the medical people would.

I work daily in the field of infectious disease by the way, as does another colleague in our little fattydash/Apollo Docs of San Francisco Group. For over a year, we have tried to organize a debate with NASA flight surgeons, or any NASA medical personel willing to brave the ultimate showdown. No one wants a piece of this for obvious reasons. We'd blow 'em outta' the water, already have.

Back to the larger point, INFLUENZA would have been only one of many diagnoses real physicians would have considered; garden variety food poisoning, viral gastroenteritis(the diagnoses that was ultimately made), bacterial enteritis such as might occur with salmonella, C. dificile enteritis(toxin based), and so forth. All of this stuff is mainstream medicine, nothing esoteric, the kind of thing interns and med students learn and practice. The Apollo doctors betrayed the fraudulence of all the Apollo missions by not responding to the Bornman diagnosis appropriately. Much more to say on this if some are interested.

There is no question Apollo is fraudulent. This is obvious. One of the things my colleagues and I set out to do in forums like this is expose the details of the fraud. If someone says that there is no LM blast crater, well so? Who's culpable anyway? But if I point out that the man resposible for knowing where the Eagle was supposed to be on the night of 07/20/1969, the man who therefore spread the rumor that the Eagle was "LOST", if I point out that that man's name is Emil Schiesser, Mathematician and Trajectory/Guidance Specialist, well then we are really pushing this whole enterprise/project forward in a major way. We have caught someone in a LIE. Emil Schiesser, HE HE HE, is the one who said the Eagle was "LOST". We know it is a lie because the astronomers were told one thing and the flight officiers another, and it was Schiesser speaking out of both sides of his mouth who is the man responsible. (By the way, the LOST BIRD theme is Apollo 11 fairy tale ubiquitous. By that I mean, it is not just found in the context of looking at the situation with the Lick and McDonald Observatory situations.

Charles Berry was the doctor responsible for evaluating Borman in the context of the staged diarrheal illness. Charles Berry was the doctor responsible for evaluating Shepard in the context of his phony Meniere's Disease illness and alleged cure. Charles Berry was the doctor responsible for evaluating Slayton in the context of his phony atrial fibrillation illness and alleged cure. Charles Berry was the doctor responsible for evaluating Mattingly and Duke in the context of the phony rubella scare. What my group has done which is different from any researchers heretofore is to formulate a LIST OF PERPETRATORS. We know who was involved, some of them anyway, and we say explicitly what they did(hid the Eagle, gave a bogus account of an illness), and in so doing, we show what ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND WHO WAS INVOLVED. As crazy as it seems, we are the first group to begin writing the true history of Apollo. And it is Patrick who primarily gets credit for this. No one before actually wrote A NEW AND MORE ACCURATE NARRATIVE. Patrick's account was/is sketchy, but it is a grand beginning. If you look at his posts and threads, it is his detractors who are the rude ones. Not that Pat cares that much. But the reason for the silly bannings is preety obvious. Too bad we cannot all write like that.

Within 20 years it shall be common knowledge that Apollo was fraudulent, perhaps 10. For the surviving perpetrators; John Aaron the EECOM, Gene Kranz the flight Director, Jim Lovell the astronaut and so forth, we have named perhaps 50-75 individuals, we write, we make videos, we give talks, we make recordings, we challenge NASA flight surgeons to debate us with respect to Apollo's bogus medical facts. We do all of this as much as anything to let these people; Aaron, Kranz, Lovell, let them all know before they die that THEY DID NOT FOOL ANYBODY.

If I write Jack Garman is a PERP because he gave the OK on the staged Apollo 11 descent 1202 program alarm scare, I go beyond the world of a simple retelling, a simple correct retelling, of history, I put Garman on notice BIG TIME that his name inevitably will live in infamy. He shall not be famous. Posterity shall know him as a royal JERK, as posterity should, know him as one of the clowns that effected this dim witted, patentedly fraudulent ruse of a nothing. And in so doing, we slowly but surely regain our pride as Americans, never to be scammed again by twits like this.

 

A year back, when my friends and I stumbled upon Apollo's medical facts, and so immediately recognized Apollo's fraudulence, it was clear on some levels as to what we should do, and clear as to what we wanted to achieve.

On one hand, it seemed ridiculous to think we were going to change the world and convince everyone of the TRUTH ABOUT THE APOLLO FRAUD, as certain as we were that we had our facts straight. Still, we did view it as important, our making some strong dedicated effort to write about the fraud in detail, PUBLISH A TRUE ACCOUNTING, PUBLISH A TRUE APOLLO NARRATIVE, primarily so the perpetrators would know that we know EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS THAT THEY DID IN THEIR CREATION AND PERPETRATION OF THIS SCAM.

As we got more into it, we realized how heavy it all was, rather depressing really. Obviously, the behind the doors truth about the American Apollo Program was not that it was a no expenses spared effort to fake out the world and fool people into thinking the Yanks were smarter and better than the Rooskies. It was clear to us, depressingly so, that Apollo was rather a cover for military operations. Apollo was a program that allowed large space bound packages containing whatever to be launched by way of Saturn Vs without appropriate public/journalistic/congressional scrutiny.

Reeling from the depression that such an epiphany about the U.S. Manned Space Program inevitably brings, all the more so when one realizes that every standing president since Nixon has perpetrated the fraud, their having to be made aware of what happened, it occurred to a couple members of our group that making films, silly satires, was just the antedote to our Apollo blues. Make fun of the thing as intelligently as we could, and in so doing, allow ourselves a few moments of much needed levity. l

As we are fond of saying, "Hey Neil Armstong, don't urinate on our back and then tell us it is raining !!!!"

Here's our groups first little film for fun, CRATERFACE, THE TRUTH ABOUT APOLLO. When all is said and done, even with the focus being on the "fun" part, the film is substantive, making reference to a few points I have touched on in my posts here already, as well as a few others. In other words, there is real Apollo research in here. Ever so ironic when you consider the CRATERFACE film is actually more accurate, quite literallty so, than NASAs own silly films on the same silly subject.

Let's all go to the moon, wadda' ya' say ?????

ENJOY !!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-xf5qj5r4I"]Craterface, The Truth About Apollo - YouTube

 

I don't know why people are getting so uptight about this. You either believe it or you don't. Why do we care what anyone else thinks, what difference does it make? No need for name calling and insults, just believe whatever you feel comfortable with. We can believe whatever we like, it doesn't affect anyone else. Not worth falling out over. Lets just grow up.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-xf5qj5r4I"]Craterface, The Truth About Apollo - YouTube

"Crashed in the Everglades and got bit by an alligator"

"PhD from a Cheerios box"

LOL

 

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWoDBcSW4_c"]Moon - Official Trailer! - YouTube

 

You're right there shouldn’t be any name calling

Some people just can’t accept the fact that the greatest country on earth pulled off the greatest hoax since the trojan horse



hotwater

 

What country was that?

 

The great ole U.S. of A. - naturally



hotwater

 

In 1969, the USA had neither the money nor the technological expertise to pull off a hoax that big. Actually going to the moon was much easier and cheaper.