Anyone else think the moon landing was a fake?

"Fattydash" is NOT one person NoxiousGas, though one person, a designated scribe, does tend to write in forums for our group at any given time. The rest of us do book research and so forth. The designated writer uses "fattydash" whenever possible. "Fattydash" is the name of a dog of one of our team members.

Back in the ol' 2011 Apollohoax days, that designated scribe was our very own Patrick, aka DrTea. One of the great medical talents in the city of San Francisco. Not to mention, and to be sure, our group's best writer by light years. Patrick has been "banned" more than once, more than a dozen times I would imagine, called on the carpet before one kangaroo tribunal after the next. That hardly invalidates his insanely powerful essays. Some of his pieces are literally masterpieces. Patrick's having been banned doesn't mean he/we are not correct in our indictment of NASA with charges of Apollo as fraud.

By the way, I am Spencer. The others in our group are Torry, Terry, Jason and Claudia. Torry is a mathematician, the rest of us are docs/physicians and we do Apollo full time when it comes to our free time. WE 6 TOGETHER ARE "FATTYDASH", though only one does any physical "writing" at any given time.

Let me put the question to you NoxiousGas, as you claim to be so familiar with Patrick's work. Frank Borman claims that during the flight of Apollo 8 he took seconal not once, but twice, and furthermore, astronaut Borman believes that medication gave him diarrhea, not to mention nausea, and caused him to vomit as well during the storied flight of Apollo 8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53iSQC3-45M&feature=plcp

As the press reported on Borman's illness in the NY Times, and as reported elsewhere in numerous "historical accounts" of the episode, it became known that there was concern Borman's diarrheal stool, floating about the zero G Apollo 8 cabin, was believed to possibly be infected. It turned out/turns out, as should be obvious, it ain't so easy to poop hygienically/safely in space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exVVj1dcmxA

In the case of the fraudulent Borman illness, there were pretended concerns about the inhalation of enteric bacteria, E. Coli and so forth, as there should have been were the whole staged affair real. There was even concern that Borman might have INFLUENZA, though the public was reassured this was not the case ultimately, as he and his colleagues had allegedly been vaccinated.

At any rate, Borman became ill enroute to the moon, somewhere there in the cislunar space of December 1968. Borman recovered midflight, AND UNBELIEVABLY, during the very SAME flight, claims he took seconal again, A SECOND TIME, TO INTENTIONALLY MAKE HIMSELF SICK. It was a "test" according to Borman, a way to see if it was seconal that really made him sick to begin with the first time.

So NoxiousGas, would you do as Borman did? Would you take seconal INTENTIONALLY TO GIVE YOURSELF DIARRHEA IN OUTER SPACE, STINK UP AND INFECT UP YOUR CABIN INTENTIONALLY, AND EXPOSE YOUR COLLEAGUES TO THE ASSOCIATED RISK ? KEEP IN MIND, A TINY BIT OF WATER FLOATING FREE IN THE CABIN OF APOLLO 15 WAS CONSIDERED HAZARDOUS TO THE EQUIPMENT. HERE WE ARE DEALING WITH "INFECTED MATERIAL" THAT COULD GUM UP BOTH THE EQUIPMENT AND THE ASTRONAUTS. There is not insignificant risk in the ingestion and inhalation of stool.

That one episode, the bogus Borman illness of Apollo 8 exposes Apollo for the fraud that it is . Brings down the whole ridiculous thing. As it turns out, Apollo astronauts actually had no way to genuinely poop in space. Think about it for yourselves and study the Apollo 8 Borman case in detail for openers. By the way, they did this sort of thing, made up these stories, anecdotes, scripted the Borman diarrheal illness and other misadventures, to add an element of "realism" to the fraudulent missions.

Those of us that know Patrick, our group's original "fattydash", the fattydash of the early Apollohoax.net threads, admire him greatly. He devoted himself tirelessly, gave his time and energy selflessly, to bring to the whole world the concept of decimating Apollo, exposing the program as fraudulent, by way of "NARRATIVE ANALYSIS". Patrick introduced to the public at large the notion of Apollo fraud exposure by way of one's demonstrating internal inconsistencies/incoherencies in the silly story lines. Tom Stafford claimed he both saw and did not see lightning strike Apollo 12. He was explicit in both cases, explicit and firm, crystal clear, both times when he made these 2 CONTRADICTORY statements. As both statements cannot be true, neither is , and we see Tom Stafford for the liar he was, for the liar he is, and as such, we see Apollo for the fraud it is, no photo analysis required, no rock analysis needed. Just scrutinize these heinously bogus, ever so sorry sorry sorry stories.

Patrick, the original "fattydash", is the guy that introduced to the world of Apollo studies the power of this approach. Patrick showed the world that "narrative analysis" is a technique that can readily be employed in the exposure of the Apollo charade. Patrick showed rocks and photos need not be studied. One need only scrutinize the bogus story lines and by pointing out the inconsistencies and internal incoherencies, one readily demonstrates the official story to be NECESSARILY UNTRUE. Through narrative analysis the perpetrators are revealed as the criminals they are. We are so enabled thanks to Patrick to read the Apollo Fraud Perpetrators' stories as the lie filled fairy tales they are. . Because we are doctors, we do best with medical issues, with the medical fairy tales; Borman's phony Apollo 8 cislunar diarrhea, Shepard's phony Meniere's Disease cure, Slayton's phony atrial fibrillation cure, Duke's/Mattingly's phony rubella scare. Medicine issues aside, we are quite good at the analysis of other "problems" as well. The "LOST BIRD" issue a great case in point.

Patrick is a tremendous physician with an outrageous sense of humor. His Apollo writings have done more to expose the fraud than the work of any other single writer/researcher bar none. No one that has worked on exposing the Apollo scam heretofore has done as much as Patrick. The Apollohoax essays of the original "fattydash" are quite literally seminal pieces of work. And in a very real sense, Patrick's work in the field of Apollo will become more important than that of Armstrong's work.

Patrick would and does argue that he is only the scribe, not the source of our group's work. This is not entirely true. Patrick courageously, at some significant risk to himself, gave real form/substance to the hoax. He has written about how we know explicitly how it is that Apollo is ten plus bogus. He has written about what the perpetrators did exactly, logistically, to carry out their nefarious activities. Patrick is the first person to accurately name many of the perpetrators/Apollo fraud criminal participants.

Try this experiment NoxiousGas; "google" the following;

"Charles Berry, Apollo"

Charles Berry was NASA's main Apollo physician. When you google that, "CHARLES BERRY, APOLLO" what do you get as a number one HIT? a first reference, a first google suggested link? Do you get a reference to Charles Berry's Medical Library? something like that? That is what one would think. But NO !!!, you get a link to one of Patrick's forum threads. As a matter of fact, several of the first 10 google links listed take you not to Berry's body of work in a positive sense, but rather, to a Patrick penned Berry criticism piece, an essay of Patrick's where Berry is exposed for the fraud he is. Patrick's most important achievement, he's the first person to publish a perpetrator list AND PROVIDE REASONS/RATIONALE AS TO WHY THE SO NAMED ARE INDEED IMPLICATED AS APOLLO FRAUD PARTICIPANTS. I'll reproduce the PERP LIST here in a later post as Patrick has so encouraged me.

Before you criticize Patrick further NoxiousGas, ask yourself the question,

"would you take seconal to intentionally make yourself sick in outer space as Borman claimed to have done, and in so doing, expose yourself and your colleagues to unimaginable and unnecessary health risks?"

If your answer is "NO", as it is for most, you have just proven to yourself Apollo's fraudulence.

I cannot write as Patrick did, as Patrick does, not as a physician, not as an Apollo fraud research specialist. Patrick is a writer without peer, both in the world of medical writing, and in the world of his writing to expose the Apollo fraud. Unfortunately, Patrick is a bit tired, and furthermore, is interested in working on his bicycle movie. And so, I will cover for him in the interim. I am Spencer, and have committed to writing for our group, "fattydash", for the next year, as Patrick so committed to the group one year ago.

As designated scribes, we have but 2 rules, we cannot write anything that the 6 of us together do not ALL agree on. Once we decide on a position, the other "rule" allows the elected scribe to present that position anyway he/she chooses, from a satirical cartoon to straightforward prose.

I encourage everyone that has the opportunity, to read Patrick's writings. I'll post links to some of them here. They are great pieces of work that expose the Apollo fraud like nothing else has. Still, Patrick's work was only a beginning. I shall carry on as our group's writer through the summer of 2013, and Patrick, Torry, Terry, Jason, Claudia will support me with their unflagging efforts; studying books, magazines, newspapers, videos and so forth. We have already boarded the bogus ship "FRAUDULENT APOLLO", this, much thanks to Patrick our dear friend. We on our side so appreciate his gift with words. He has changed the face of this whole Apollo fraud exposure thing forever.

So how about it NoxiousGas, were you in a spaceship with 2 of your best friends, would you take seconal on purpose to intentionally stink up, poop up, the air ?

 

Meanwhile,are you even prepared to consider another side to it?
Or are you concreted into your positions?

Poor old Ivory62 STILL awaits an answer.

 

Calling a Group 'names' does not constitute banning. 'Personal Insults' do. You are what you associate yourself to be.

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TS, do you think that Neil Armstrong died a charlatan?

 

whatever

Uhmmmm..........

considering my username, what do you think...:devil:

 

I read this far, and then became ashamed at having read this literary and logical diarrhea for that long.

 

Well, from the time I was a boy until April of 2011 I considered the official story the truth. No turning back now as there is no question this thing is way bogus. My friends and I study Apollo day and night. Everywhere we look we se FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD.

Here is one for you puggybear generated by the collective wisdom of the APOLLO DOCS OF SAN FRANCISCO;

"If Apollo is "real", how is it that Deke Slayton's atrial fibrillation, the heart condition which grounded Slayton, and which just doesn't "go away", according to NASA did just go away, allowing Slayton himself to leave his desk job and "fly" again?".

By the way, Slayton contended vitamin therapy cured his atrial fibrillation. We'll be kind and not use that against him.

 

It’s about time everyone was re-introduced to the movie Capricorn One, and while you can’t really compare the first manned mission to mars with the mission to the moon - It’s likely the same scenario played out sometime prior to 1969.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhLHAKoK35w&feature=related"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhLHAKoK35w&feature=related




Hotwater

 

Well before I started driving an Astro van I hardly noticed them. Now I see at least 3-5 every time I go out driving!!!!! There must be some conspiracy afoot being perpetrated by those evil genius's at Chevrolet!!

You are finding fraud everywhere because that is the only thing you are trying to see. I'm sure you guys have glossed over reams of REAL FACTS that don't support your hypothesis, therefore you dismiss them out-of-hand because they couldn't possibly be right because it was all a fraud!

The monumental flaws and holes in your logic are astounding. That goes for ALL of you in this thread who are convinced it was faked.
The classic being hotwater with this absolutely inspired backpedal that covers all possible objections or horrendous errors in his reasoning;

With that remark you never have to actually deal with or reconcile the huge flaws in your theory, do you?

that's just beyond sad and pathetic

 

You evaded the question NoxiousGas.

Of course you would not intentionally make yourself ill in space. Any modern day aerospace engineer would tell you, will tell us all, that a functional space toilet is a necessity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1wwzwvfsC0"]Shuttle's Toilet Requires Special Training - YouTube

The Borman episode spun wildly out of control, blew up in NASA's face. There are many interesting and unexpected aspects/features to the tale. It turned out there was a huge world wide INFLUENZA epidemic/pandemic going on at the time of the Apollo 8 mission. When it occurred to the fraudsters that some docs might suggest Borman might have the Hong Kong flu in outerspace back there in December of 1968, pretty scary were any of this real, three guys in a can with INFLUENZA, they dealt with the problem by reminding us that the boys had been vaccinated. Samuel Philips, the once head of our Minuteman ICBM Program and later head of Apollo(no coincidence), wrote in the May 1969 National Geographic that a mini Apollo 8 cislunar INFLUENZA epidemic was a concern, BUT, thank God the boys were vaccinated. Only problem with that bogus story is vaccinations then as today do not guarantee immunity. And on and on and on, so much more to that idiotic Borman diarrhea story. I'll not bother to go into it all here. Makes me nauseated. The whole thing has become so insanely embarrassing as time goes on. We keep turning up all the more of this complete jive about Borman, his vomiting and his FAKE DIME STORE FLOATING LIQUID STOOL.


Frank Borman is a fraud, as were/are his crewmates Anders and Lovell, as were the the tax payer rip off programs Mercury/Gemini/Apollo/Skylab/Shuttle. These are all fronts for military operations. How else does the USAF and US NAVY launch 50,000 pound weapon system component space packages? They put the package on top of a Saturn V and tell us they are sending 3 boys to the moon.

Doesn't mean they never send men into space. It does mean that when they do, it is primarily about weapons systems. Oh sure, there are missions that are "Peaceful". But make no mistake, US manned space operations were and are first and foremost about weapons.

Fool us once, shame on us, fool us (7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) 11 times, shame on NASA and the US government that supported Apollo and the perpetuation of the FRAUD.

Pause and think about it. Every president with the possible exception of Kennedy has known about this. Johnson and Nixon would have to be considered active PERPS, Ford to Obama complicitous. I understand Obama's job is difficult, and I honestly think he honestly tries. But I am sorry, maintaining this ruse is simply NOT ACCEPTABLE.

 

Give us alternative explanations NoxiousGas.

Tell us why Frank Borman would try to make himself sick in outer space. Tell us all why he would try and provoke another bout of vomiting and diarrhea.

Tell us why NASA would claim INFLUENZA vaccination guarantees immunity.

Tell us why Ken Mattingly was alleged to possibly be INFECTIOUS !!!! and incubating rubella, yet was running around the MOCR during the staged Apollo 13 drama. You tell us NoxiousGas.

If Apollo was not FRAUDULENT, why did all of this stuff occur?

Why would Tom Stafford LIE and say first that he did not see the Apollo 12 launch pad hit by lightning when he briefed reporters at the post Apollo 12 launch press conference. No question Stafford did not see lightning, he stated explicitly he was not looking up, but rather, he stated he was looking at his console. Yet, Stafford later would write in his WE HAVE CAPTURE book that he unequivocally saw the Apollo 12 launch pad hit by lightning. If Stafford's lying does not translate to FRAUD, what does it mean?

Tell us why the Apollo 11 LM launch FIDO, H. David Read, wrote in FROM THE TRENCH OF MISSION CONTROL TO THE CRATERS OF THE MOON that they had no idea where the Eagle landed at the time of his coming on duty the morning of 07/21/1969? Tell us why it was that case that despite Reed's not knowing where the Eagle was when he first came on duty 07/21/1969 am that lo' and behold, when the Apollo 11 Mission Report was finally published in November of 1969, it looked like Reed could not have been more wrong. There in the Apollo 11 mission report one could read the landing site coordinates listed in the report's table 5-IV. Despite Reed's claim, and how can one not trust the Eagle launch FIDO's account, according to the Apollo 11 Mission report, NASA knew all along, in REAL TIME where the Apollo 11 Eagle was.

We, my friends and I, are wide open, we are willing to hear your alternative take on this. Now you rewrite history for us. You give us your explanation NoxiousGas, cuz' most of us read all this stuff one way and one way only. APOLLO IS FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE BIG BIG BIG TIME FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE ............

 

Post video or it didn't happen.

 

worth repeating;

that's just beyond sad and pathetic


let me ask this of you and the others here. How would it actually impact your lives at this time if it did turn out that it was all faked?

Seriously, consider the energy you are putting into something that ultimately doesn't make a rat's ass worth of a difference in your pathetic little lives.

Sheeesh, go out, enjoy the sunshine and get a life, they are free ya know

 

its fun to talk about the possibility that it was a conspiracy, i have heard all the reasons people say why or why not it was fake and i see no reason to believe it isnt real.
all that aside i have to agree with what i quoted there^^^^talking about it...great. making it an important part of your life....just fucking sad.

 

Hey there Faelixx,

The tape thing is sometimes downplayed by Apollo Program official story apologists. The argument is that, the "recordings" we do have, the tapes of the tapes, they are just as good.

This is a bogus argument. People like myself would like to get our hands NOT on the original moonwalk videos, but on the telemetry tapes that bore the GNC data(guidance, navigation and control) among other things.

For example, the flight officer that was responsible to come up with the "launch solution" for the Eagle, determine its flight path from Tranquility Base back to Michael Collins in the lunar orbiting command module, H. David Reed, he wrote, and wrote very clearly, that the systems responsible for determining the Eagle's position on the moon(PNGS, AGS, MSFN), were in DISAGREEMENT. Each system "found the Eagle" 4-5 miles or more from the location as determined by the other locating systems.

The morning of the Eagle's launch , was a morning that found the Eagle LOST. The real reason, the true explanation, for this is; there had to BE A PRETENSE THAT THE EAGLE WAS LOST because the astronauts were not really on the moon, they were "Tranquility Truant" as my friends are fond of saying. Now on the evening of 07/20/1969 and during the day of 07/21/1969, the astronomers at Lick Observatory in California and astronomers at McDonald Observatory in Texas, were looking for the astronauts with their lasers, or better said, looking for the astronauts' laser reflector. The astronomers were trying to bounce laser light off the Apollo 11 mission's allegedly astronaut placed lunar laser retroreflector(LRRR), trying to target the Apollo 11 LRRR and catch/identify the bounced and returned photons.

The laser reflector was alleged to have been placed on the lunar surface that storied evening/morning(07/20 and 07/21 1969). If you think about it a little, you'll begin to realize, given these remarkable circumstance, that the astronomers could have proven the astronauts "Tranquility Truant" had they known with absolute certainty where the LRRR in fact was sitting, and had the astronomers been absolutely positive that their equipment worked. We can go into this in more detail later, but as it turns out, the astronomers' equipment did not work. They had bad software, bad programming. Hold that nuanced point about the programming. We can return to it later. For now, realize that were real time lunar landing site coordinates for the Eagle "known", for a variety of reasons, the astronauts could be shown to be absent, TRANQUILITY TRUANT AND NOT ON THE MOON AT ALL.

Because of this problem, because the landing site location cannot be precisely/accurately disclosed in the real time of the pretended moon walk, the fraud perpetrators have to "hide" the Eagle, pretend to not know where it was. And so, launch FIDO Reed, a man who is not in on the fraud, a man who is an honest flight officer, is told when he walks into the mission control room for work on the morning of 07/21/1969 that the landing site's position has not been determined. PRETTY CRAZY NO ? On the moon for better than a half day and they don't know where they are within 5 miles. How are they going to get back ?

So that whole day, until roughly an hour or so before the Eagle's launch, essentially the whole time the astronauts are alleged to be on the moon, according to NASA's official story, no one knows where the Eagle is. By "where" one means within 5 miles or a bit more. It is not until right before that time of the ever so staged launch that the Eagle is "found".

In sum, the Eagle's position cannot be known in the real time of the moon walk or the astronauts can be proven to be absent. I'll cover the details regarding the logistics of that important point in future posts. For now, if you are really Apollo fraud curious, it'll pay huge dividends to familiarize yourselves with the LOST BIRD idea in a general sense, the idea of this Eagle being on the moon with no one close to sure as to where the thing is. Again, the very best introductory references to this rather complex and poetic issue really, are Patrick's now semi-legendary first detailed LOST BIRD posts;


1) http://apollohoax.proboards.com/inde...3&page=1#91676

2) http://apollohoax.proboards.com/inde...3&page=9#92052

3) http://apollohoax.proboards.com/inde...3&page=9#92053

Much has changed since Patrick penned these posts with regard to the details of the LOST BIRD story. Our group's position has evolved. Nevertheless, if you want to really get into the Apollo fraud, understand it, come to see how it was pulled off, see how you were duped, fooled, hoodwinked in those mid weeks of July 1969, become informed as to how the Apollo 11 scam was actually executed, READ THESE POSTS of Patrick's. I can bring the group here up to speed with respect to our group's further work in this fascinating area of Apollo fraud research, and of course I would be eager to hear from others who have worked in this area, one of my group's very favorite fields of Apollo fraud study. I also would be very interested in hearing what others have to say about their own favorite US manned space program hoax topics.

Back to the tapes that were INTENTIONALLY LOST.

People think the fattydash group wants the original tapes to see if the group might be able to find "a problem" with the moonwalk videos. WRONG !!!! We want to see the telemetry on the PNGS, AGS, MSFN data. How did the Eagle's guidance system follow the bird as it landed? Where was the Eagle according to the PNGS telemetry data when it touched down at "Tranquility Base" , according to the AGS ?, according to MSFN ?(PNGS,AGS , MSFN are three different systems for tracking the Eagle. They all should have agreed more or less, but launch FIDO H. David Reed says there was no agreement.)

So they lost the tapes so somebody like me wouldn't bust their chops over pointing out their tapes are inconsistent with the claims of the very flight officer, H. David Reed, that was supposed to base his launch solution on data from those very tapes.

 

I understand the attraction about arguing over who pooped where and how, but seriously.

THE SIGNAL FROM APOLLO 11 WAS RECEIVED AT THE PARKES SATELLITE DISH. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT?

Sorry for shouting, but I have asked for a response twice already, and all I get is stuff about intestinal bacteria.

 

That's just the way conspiracy freaks work. I asked three or four times about the video of the flag - same thing. They have to ignore requests for evidence, because there isn't any. They just pull a switcheroo and start on about some other line of argument for which there isn't any evidence either. You'll go nuts if you expect logical arguments here.

 

Me thinks fattydash is desperate for an audience.
Just say "Hi" and get greeted with walls of text about astronaut bowel movements.