Anyone else think the moon landing was a fake?

Seriously I'm beginning to just think that Hotwater and Dude111 are just trolling these topics.
I find it hard to accept that anyone as stupid, uneducated and just plain moronic enough to believe this type of crap would also have the intellect to operate a computer.

Good joke you guys, you sure had me fooled. I really thought you both were a couple of in-bred cretins, you know, like zippy the pinhead;

 

You who are debating the 'facts/Fantasy' of the moon landing, most of you weren't even born yet, but seem to be experts on the subject.

I know better. My father invented the communication devise for apollo. When Huston had a problem the men in black came and got my father in the middle of the night to fly him to Huston to fix it and he did.

He got an award and a thank you letter signed by the pres and all the astronauts for bringing them home safely. The letter still exists. Why would they thank him if it was a hoax? Why would they have bothered coming to get him at all.

My father would have never been part of any kind of scam, esp one so significant to history. He was an honest man and would have never went along with it. He would have quit first.

He walked us through each step as it aired on tv. It was the topic of conversation around our house from start to finish. Altho' my father was under contract from NASA and was swore to secrecy he did tell us all he was allowed to and made us understand what was happening and what it meant for our country.

And Please tell me when you heard the russians laughing, were you at a party they were throwing?? Did they call you up to let you in on the joke??

The Flag was waving OMG.. did you know that they had wire running through the flag so it would stand out on it's own so you could tell who's flag it was.. it would look funny all limp.. they still sell flags like that.

I grew up in the middle of it. It was very serious as the whole world watched. If it was a fake dont you think there would be evidence to prove your claims on how fake it was. Don't you think Russia would have exposed the scam.. or do you think at logically all.

It's an insult to any Intelligent Human Being to believe that the moon landing was faked. There is no amount of 'Talk' that could convince me it was.. you got proof, bring it and I will dismantle it with TRUTH.

I can only shake my head at the ignorance of some ppl.

sh

 

I Knew It:



^Just kidding.

RIP, Mr Armstrong.

Anyone here talking about the moon rocks he brought back?

Apollo 11 Moon Rocks Still Crucial 40 Years Later, Say Researchers
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090717150254.htm

 

Roorshack's had some experience of 'em, i believe.

 

I know others who have encountered them, too. There's a few that people can see, and/or touch, that are sometimes on display.

There's even some missing ones.... they gave out a bunch to heads of state, who didn't value them.... so if you check out your local pawnshop, you just might find some moon rocks:biker:

Of course, I'm sure that many would say it's from the local quarry... but whatever floats their paranoid boat :2thumbsup:

 

All you have to do is look at the surface of the moon to know it’s pockmarked with asteroid impacts. In the distant past those impacts regularly dislodged large chunks of moon rocks which were captured in earth’s gravity - That explains the existence of moon rocks.

If that isn’t enough all you have to do is research the current theory on the evolution of the moon.


hotwater

 

but one of the ways in which we identify moon rocks as being dissimilar to earth rocks is the complete lack of weathering and the absence of evidence of entrained water. if they fell to earth millions of years ago and we dug them up, asides from having to know more or less exactly where they were so we knew where to dig, the rocks we dug up would have imbibed water the same as our rocks which are buried, and if they fell relatively recently, they'd show evidence of being weathered in our atmosphere because theyd have spent time on the surface, surely? (actually, they'd show weathering whether buried or not) but they don't, and thats how we recognise them, asides from chemical makeup.

in our atmosphere, they decay too quickly and can become a lot harder to identify, which is why they preserved a lot of the rocks they brought back artificially.

Furthermore, there are certain attributes that are peculiar to meteorites which aren't present in the moon rock samples:

1) fusion crusts- from the extreme heat of penetrating the atmosphere, admittedly these sometimes get worn away by the elements, what doesn't get removed, however is;

2) cosmogenic Nuclides!-certain kinds of these isotopes are ONLY produced by reaction to solar rays outside of our atmosphere, and some inside. it would be immediately apparent, based on the kind of nuclides present in the rock and by measuring their half-lifes, when they entered our atmosphere and whether or not they were meteorites.

 

First off it’s no coincidence that the majority of the so-called moon rocks have come up missing. Fewer rocks, less chance of being exposed.

The fusion crust could be removed, and the water removed by placing the rocks in an industrial furnace. and as for cosmogenic nuclides, the rocks were undoubtedly exposed to high energy particles which would mimic long term exposure to solar winds.


Hotwater

 

I believe the moon landing was staged. Especially after i saw a video that pointed out flaws in the moon landing video. The only source of light on the moon is the Sun, and there were shadows falling in different directions, not paralell to each other. which indicates that there was another source of light, all in all, the moon landing was fake.

 

Hummm.. did ya ever consider that they had LIGHTS on so the could see. They had lights in every direction, so it would seem like the pic had shadows that didn't fit.. well now, how do you fancy that explanation for shadows in the craters... ohhh, you have nothing to say.. I dont blame, I'd STFU too if that's all I had.

 

most of the rocks were given away as goodwill gifts to 135 sovereign nations and each US state, shockingly, they didn't just take Nixon's word that these were moon rocks and performed their own tests; independent of the US, independent of NASA. not one geologist believed that they were meteorites, for the reasons i posted earlier, and another i'll get into later. crucially, they also kept and preserved good samples for future study. of the 270 rocks brought back, 180 are missing, either stolen or given away to people who sold them on. still 100 accounted for, many of which are being artificially preserved at various geological research centres and museums around the world. just more people to add to the list of "experts with no allegiance to NASA or the US sworn to perpetual silence", i suppose.

evidence of water retention doesn't just mean the presence of water, retaining water changes the structure of a rock in a recognizable way. i'm not sure what timespan you were talking about when you said that the meteorites would have fallen to earth ages ago, but if it was a geologically significant period of time between them being on earth and then being claimed to have come from the moon, then there would be a lot of evidence of the rocks being significantly altered by contact and retention of water, particularly since they are so porous.

fusion crusts are very difficult to remove artificially without it being very obvious that you've done so. you'd literally have to chip it off with a bloody chisel, very difficult to leave no evidence of having done that.

cosmogenic nuclides- we're talking about isotopes that can ONLY be formed outside of our atmosphere and can be dated incredibly accurately using radiometric testing. there isn't really a way to artificially replicate that on earth.

geologists are pretty hard to fool, thats what happens when you dedicate your life to studying rocks.

speaking of rocks; Tranquillityite, pyroxferroite and armalcolite, the three entirely new minerals discovered on the moon in 1969. so lets think; these minerals would have had to have been on the earth already with the US government suppressing all knowledge of their existence until 1969. and they'd have (presumably) had to have been doing this supression for YEARS, long before they even HAD a space program, this is assuming that they knew all along that they would never be able to go to space and would have to fake it. UNLESS three meteors were recovered and knowledge of them completely supressed in the window of time between NASA being established, realizing that they would not be able to make it to the moon and deciding to fake it instead, and 1969. NASA was established in 1958, and it seems unlikely that they would have been a ridiculous charade right from the start, they must have started out (at least for a couple of years) as a legitimate research and development organisation. so lets say it took 'em a few years to decide to just fake the whole thing. lets be generous and allow them a 7 year window. on average meteorites hit the earth 100 times a year of which only 5 or 6 are generally recoverable. so that's 700 potential meteorites with 30-40 recoverable. remember that this is JUST meteorites in general. Lunar meteorites are very rare indeed, around one in every 250 meteorites of the 42,000 currently catalogued is a lunar meteorite. Also worth bearing in mind is that due to gravitational conditions, most recoverable meteorites are found in Antarctica or in the deserts of North Africa. the ones in Antarctica are almost always recoverd by either US funded researchers or the Japanese, whose scientists i imagine would be altogether less inclined to piss all over the scientific ideals which have characterised most of their careers in order to help good ol' uncle Sam get one over on the Russians.

lunar meteorites are SO rare, that it is pretty much impossible for the full 382 kg of moon rock to be accounted for (all having arrived between '69 and '72) as having arrived in this manner. to date government agencies (from MANY different countries, not just the US) and private collectors working for over 20 years have only recovered 30kg of lunar meteorite. the first lunar meteorite recorded as recovered in Antarctica was in 1979.

all i'm saying is, yeah, its possible, but it doesn't seem all that likely. and if your gonna go to ALL that trouble, you're gonna stop the fucking flag waving in the video

 

autophobe2e you are obviously at least 20 points higher in IQ than Hotwater.
It's like trying to explain how an internal combustion engine works to an earthworm.

I commend you on your efforts, but if these dipsticks honestly cannot see the glaring problems with this whole theory of the moon landing being faked, then is there any hope for them at all?

Just be sure to check for scars from all the :banghead: you are doing in this thread.


The funniest thing of all is I'm sure they will all say Christians are deluded and irrational closed minded fools.

 

i'm an atheist, but I'd take Jesus over the god of the old testament any day. i mean, i wouldn't take either, given a choice, but Jesus killed a whole lot less people on a whim, so that more or less gives him my vote.

Actually, the bible was edited to remove references to Jesus being less than divine, as an attempt by emperor constantine the great to prevent a bloody religious war, and to help him unite the roman empire with a concrete theistic doctrine. they tried to make it more consistent by removing some of the obviously contradictory things and then voted on it. it was this vote which decided that the bible as we know it was "the word of god." rather than a collection of different spiritual and philosophical writings from a vast array of different cultures, languages and time periods.

The bible's a library, not a book. trying to interpret it literally or even expecting it to contain a consistent message of any kind is misguided, there's still enough there to justify more or less anything you fancy. people who want to hate gay people or (my personal favourite) think that the best punishment for laughing at bald men should be to be mauled to death by angry she-bears can find support for it in the bible just like people who believe in space NAZI's on Mars can see Howitzer turrets in grainy pictures of rocks

 

unfocusedanakin you completely and utterly missed my point and instead used as some fucking little soapbox to espouse your views regarding Christianity.
Get a little focus why don't ya.

Holy friggin' crap!!!!!

The point being that often those believing this type nonsense that the thread topic is also think Christians are deluded for their beliefs. Ya know, pot calling kettle black?

Sooo, if you also believe the moon landing was faked in the face of thousands if not millions of eyewitness's, many of whom are still alive (a point Paul brought up when asked concerning the validity of what he was saying about Jesus. Liars rarely offer up eyewitness's, but I digress), in spite of the actual physical evidence of items on the moon and items brought back from the moon, etc., etc., then unfocusedanikin, I would have to say you are far more delusional than most Christians, as are those others in this thread who believe it was faked.

 

Since were dealing with some of the most intelligent people on earth who perpetrated this hoax, I’m sure they planned their strategy well and took every factor into consideration before proceeding.

In regard to Christianity; one of the greatest hoaxes ever was the shroud of Turin. It was carbon-14 dated to the Middle Ages.


hotwater

 

Given the recent passing of Neil Armstrong, I'll weigh in.....

It wasn't faked. The signal from the Moon was routed through the large satellite in Parkes, Australia, and if there's one thing Aussies can spot, it's bullshit. They didn't spot any. There wasn't any. It was real.

 

sounds like justification for a non-falsifiable hypothesis to me...

which means i'm more or less done

 

Most people are not interested in the truth Hotwater. Guys like you and me will never be able to convince them otherwise. But don't worry you are not alone on this board. You make some great points.

Awesome to find a fellow Coaster on here.

 

WW1 footage was better than the moon landing.
For this reason alone I know it's fake.

 

The truth? "You can't handle the truth!"