any ideas on what the fake ketamine actually is?

So there are like 1000 different "kinds" of ketamine going around these days and I'd say mayb 5% of it is actually ketamine.

Does anybody have any theories on what the stuff actually is?

I used to think it was MXE or cut MXE for a while, or different isomers of ketamine, but now there are at least 5 or 6 different things with ENTIRELY different effects going around as ketamine. One is very anaesthetic and has practically no mental effects, one is significantly stronger thanK in it's dissociation, one might be MXE, some might be K, some are totally different from K, some people say that one of them makes you bleed out your asshole (this is probably a dumb rumour), but idk. I stay away from anything people call k these days (unless I order it myself and know pretty much for sure what it is).

Anybody have similar experiences/any ideas about what the shit might be?

 

Not sure how the dosages / effects / ROA compare but maybe things like 3-MeO-PCP, 4-MeO-PCP, 2-MeO-Ketamine. to the unwitting maybe , I think that would have to be done on large scale with how costly those chems are in comparison with ketamine. It's likely different grades of ketamine alter the experience. that is what they say with mxe

 

maybe its dogamine .. woof..

 

The ketamine isomers are considerably different IME, I would say it's akin to Indica vs. Sativa Weed if not more pronounced. I also found some differences in specific brands.

There are also a few other disassociative research chems out there besides MXE as well:

N-ethyl-Ketamine
2-meo-Ketamine
3-meo-pcp
4-meo-pcp

As well as a PCE class of chemicals I believe.

The only one I've tried besides MXE is 4-meo-pcp, I have a slight interest in exploring N-ethyl-Ketamine tho.

 

Some of these things don't even feel like dissociatives (from what I've heard -- I've only tried a couple). Like the most common one in my city right now is purely aneasthetic and has no mind effects. It makes you walk wobbly, but unless you do a large amount, you barely feel anything mentally, just sort of aneasthetized.

Like a lot of them are not even similar to ketamine.

And the crystals are not right at all either



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The ketamine isomers are considerably different IME, I would say it's akin to Indica vs. Sativa Weed if not more pronounced. I also found some differences in specific brands.

There are also a few other disassociative research chems out there besides MXE as well:

are any of these cheaper than ketamine?

 

lol

 

I have not really looked into prices too much, I saw a gram of N-ethyl-ketamine for around a similar price and amount as Mxe. However, I believe NEK has a potency more similar to that of Ketamine from the brief amounts I've read about it.

4-meo-pcp I did awhile back, I don't recall how much it was but I got it for an extremely low price, probably lower than the standard price because it was on some promotion and then I traded for some another time.

 

I guess these are possible. MXE was certainly going around a while ago. Before MXE, the ketamine was all ketamine. I think the dawn of MXE started the whole fake ketamine trend, but, since then, the dealers have moved on to something else.

Honestly I hope it's something as innocuous as these RCs. These are mostly not that bad (although when people got MXE and thought it was ketamine, they would do HUGE lines of MXE and have a BAD time), but I've heard some horror stories

God I need to get access to a lab. I just want to know what things are! But identifying totally unknown compounds is pretty fkn tough :/

 

The anesthetic with little mental effect is almost certainly xylazine (much less $).
If I got something that was significantly stronger than k on the street I'd probably assume it was PCP (can also be significantly cheaper for some).
I've noticed permanent tolerance with k, even after a year or so without doing any, which IMO would be something to keep in mind as it may affect your perception of the drug in future use.
Every brand of vet k I've had has been pretty much the same. The only difference being street k (cut), and some from India, which was undeniably stronger/better than any branded k I've tried.

 

I sort of doubt these other RC's as they wouldn't be cost effective for a dealer in any way.

 

well I know for certain that there was cut MXE "ketamine" going around near the time when MXE first came out, but that stuff is rare these days.

xylazine sounds like an interesting hypothesis. Why do you think it's xylazine?

do you have any idea what xylazine crystals would look like in comparison to:



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the crystals in the sedative fake ketamine that lacked mental effects where much more tetrahedral, almost all rectangular prisms of some sort, than ketamine usually is. The chunks also seems a bit bigger and harder to crush.

 

I don't think anyone mentioned this one yet. When they banned MXE in the UK, the Brit vendors replaced it with a new compound called 1,2-DEP as soon as July hit. Prices are fairly similar to MXE from what I'm seeing but I don't know about dosage I didn't look into it.

I don't see any reason it couldn't be an RC if someone is buying it in bulk (which they must be if it's hitting the streets like OP says). in normal quantities ketamine is more cost effective than the newer RCs I'm aware of, but I don't know about this new one I mentioned. as far as 3-meo-pcp, 4-meo-pcp, etc. goes, in a personal use situation they're generally more expensive than K.

 

As i said, there are 5 or 6 batches going around at any given time, one or two of which are ketamine. No doubt sone of then are rcs, but i think, for the totally non-psychedellic, sedative (also 5$ cheaper per vial on average), tetrahedral, chunky, slightly opaque crystals batch, xylazine does sound like a possibility.

Im gonna start collecting samples soon amd see if i can find a way to get them analyzwd

Its not that i care for personal cobsumption - as ive stopped consuming street ketamine in recent years. Im just so damn curious.

I wish i had access to my own lab!!



...anybody here have access to analysis equipment/know of places where street drugs can be sent for analysis??

 

DDL will do GC/MS for ketamine from Canada. Send it to Ecstasydata and they will send it to them for you.

 

Awww shit i found some real ketamine.

Unless its fluffed i swear you can tell by the crystals. Ketamine has a very specific look to it.

 

Fuck this stuff is gooood

 

I've since tried N-ethyl-norketamine and 3-meo-pcp. I pretty much used them in conjunction with each other so I don't really have accurate durations but I usually staggered doses so I got a sense of individual effects. The N-ethyl-norketamine seemed to have a feel similar to ketamine and decent mood boosting properties without the psychedelic aspects of Ketamine. The 3-meo-pcp was more along the lines of a speedy MXE, surprisingly a slow onset but the peak had a lot of interpretive fantasy and the combination with n-ethyl-norket made it extremely euphoric with minimal effect on motor coordination, however on its own it was a bit manic. I still feel I haven't returned to baseline after several days, so this seems to negate any the positives I have experienced and which I am primarily attributing to the 3-meo-pcp.

 

hmmm that makes me think that there is definitely some n-ethyl-norketamine going around, possibly also some xylazine...

 

There's been a couple of ketamine analogues floating around the UK RC market recently, methoxphenidine and diphenidine. Doubtful MXP would be sold as ketamine unless it was cut, as it's both more expensive and a shit-ton more potent than ketamine. Diphenidine is a possibility, from what I can tell potency is somewhat higher than methoxetamine but lower than MXP or 3-MeO-PCP (godamn that was a nice chemical, stupid UK ban )

When I get paid I think I'm gonna pick up some research samples of both of those; will post trip reports when I get chance