any ideas of who this "Antichrist" is?

I'm not sure what you mean by this, but as I am a Christian I can only hope I would be strong enough not to lose my faith in Christ in the face of hate and hostility.

 

I mean more personally, face to face.

 

Then I would not know how I'd react. It is something I could not imagine.

 

Exactly, no one knows what is prepared for those who love. It is the loving who make it known. What would Jesus do is the wrong question. The question is what would you do to Jesus, he being equal to the least.

 

At the SIXTH seal, the SIXTH trumpet and the SIXTH vial, satan come to earth to do his thing. All three of these things are one thing. 666, the number of the beast.

After a while he will take up house in Israel and proclaim himself to be God.

At the seventh trumpet, the seventh seal and the seventh vial, Jesus comes to earth and satan instantly goes away with his minions and souls.

Jesus teaches us that we will all know instantly, and all at once, when it is him who has come.

He also tells us that when a great man stands in his fathers house (Israel) and claims to be God, that this is the giveaway. Because Jesus won't have to announce himself. We will all instantly know in our hearts when it's truly him.

No prob right?


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Hopefully no problem... I just hope that when the time comes to it, I will have faith. I hope that if this happens in my lifetime, I have the faith and strength to know what to do.

 

Hi honeyfugle,

May I ask you (you being Christian,) what exactly do you mean by "rebel" in this statement and are you saying that Christians can be "rebels"?

Thank you very much in advance,
IANABIAP (I am not a believer in any prophet.)

 

No, I probably did not elaborate myself properly.
I don't mean Christians themselves would be rebels. What I mean is, there would be a group of other people, who are not Christian in belief but will choose to "rebel" against the new world system of power. They will refuse to bow down to the false God not out of religious belief but probably political reasons. Zencoyote says he would not bow down to anyone, good or evil so I'd consider him likely to become one of these political rebels.
What I meant before, was how far would those rebelling the Anti-Christ for political reasons go? In the face of starvation and homelessness (the mark of the beast would be used as a means of payment, like a credit card) and violence would they give up their rebellion? I'm sure some would stick it out and die for it, but maybe only a select amount of people.

 

ANTICHRIST

This word means “against (or instead of) Christ.” It occurs a total of five times, singular and plural, all of them in two of John’s epistles.

The subject was not new among the Christians when John wrote his letters (c. 98 C.E.). First John 2:18 states: “Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard that antichrist [Gr., an·ti′khri·stos] is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists; from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour.” John’s statement shows that there are many individual antichrists, though all together they may form a composite person designated “the antichrist.” (2Jo 7) The use of the expression “hour” as referring to a period of time, either relatively brief or of undetermined length, is exemplified in other writings of John. (See Joh 2:4; 4:21-23; 5:25, 28; 7:30; 8:20; 12:23, 27.) He thus did not restrict the appearance, existence, and activity of such antichrist to some future time only but showed that the antichrist was then present and would continue on.—1Jo 4:3.

Identification. Although there has been much effort in the past to identify “the antichrist” with an individual, such as Pompey, Nero, or Muhammad (this latter person being suggested by Pope Innocent III in 1213 C.E.), or with a specific organization, as in the Protestant view of “the antichrist” as applying to the papacy, John’s inspired statements show the term to be broad in its application, embracing all those who deny that “Jesus is the Christ,” and who deny that Jesus is the Son of God who came “in the flesh.”—1Jo 2:22; 4:2, 3; 2Jo 7, NE, NIV; compare Joh 8:42, 48, 49; 9:22.

Denial of Jesus as the Christ and as the Son of God of necessity embraces the denial of any or all of the Scriptural teachings concerning him: his origin, his place in God’s arrangement, his fulfillment of the prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures as the promised Messiah, his ministry and teachings and prophecies, as well as any opposition to or efforts to replace him in his position as God’s appointed High Priest and King. This is evident from other texts, which, while not using the term “antichrist,” express essentially the same idea. Thus, Jesus stated: “He that is not on my side is against me, and he that does not gather with me scatters.” (Lu 11:23) Second John 7 shows that such ones might act as deceivers, and hence the “antichrist” would include those who are “false Christs” and “false prophets,” as well as those who perform powerful works in Jesus’ name and yet are classed by him as “workers of lawlessness.”—Mt 24:24; 7:15, 22, 23.

In view of Jesus’ rule that what is done to his true followers is done to him (Mt 25:40, 45; Ac 9:5), the term must include those who persecute such ones, which means it would include the symbolic “Babylon the Great” and those described as the “evil slave” in Jesus’ parable.—Lu 21:12; Re 17:5, 6; Mt 24:48-51.

John specifically mentions apostates as among those of the antichrist by referring to those who “went out from us,” abandoning the Christian congregation. (1Jo 2:18, 19) It therefore includes “the man of lawlessness” or “son of destruction” described by Paul, as well as the “false teachers” Peter denounces for forming destructive sects and who “disown even the owner that bought them.”—2Th 2:3-5; 2Pe 2:1

Kingdoms, nations, and organizations are similarly shown to be part of the antichrist in the symbolic description at Revelation 17:8-15; 19:19-21.—Compare Ps 2:1, 2.

In all the above cases those composing the antichrist are shown to be headed for eventual destruction as a recompense for their opposing course.

 

I encounter Christ directly (face to face in a way), every week, in the Blessed Sacrament.

I kneel, bow, and am deeply moved by the experience. My encounters draw me closer to God through his grace and turn my life further from sin. If I could attend Mass every day I would.

 

Pretty much what I do now, as far as belief and life-ethics goes.

some and many, respectively.

Well, I'd be pretty surprised!! Then this dude better have some satanic ID. Seriously!
My statement about never bowing down is real. It's a matter of honor and living the tenets of my sacred documents.
We are ALL equals. I will call no man "sir"(sire), no judge "your honor" or holy man (or woman) your holiness, your eminence, etc. No kneeling before any icon or person.
So, basically...I'd be dead meat!

If your beliefs are true and Jesus comes back and is truly a deity...I'd expect him to see into my heart and notice all the love that's in there. Any truly loving god would welcome me home. JMHO

Zen

 

Thanx and peace to you.

Depends on what one considers "acknowledgment"...The historical Jesus was a Rabbi, a revolutionary and one of humanity's great teachers. I acknowledge that and honor it but I can't buy the deity and worship part. Love requires no worship.

Nestea

Zen

 

That sounds like acknowledgment to me.

IANABIAP (I am not a believer in any prophet.)

 

I am, most definitely, both.

Yep, and for nothing too. If you just added some love for the lord, and a cuppla other things into that, you could get through.

I was a prideful man. Felt just like you wrote. The problem is that your/our pride defies our reasoning for having it. All men are equal, so I bow to no man. It's a beautiful statement on it's own. But in essence, it's a passive play to set ones self above/apart from the rest. It screws up the thought process of the reasoning behind the statement.

Pride is an immediately recognizable edifice of youth. As we mature, we begin to see how we fit into the whole mess, and our need for pride (a special place of our own) goes away as we see where our place actually is. No need to carve out a special place once we realize there is a special place there for each of us......... all along.

What you're really saying is---> "Any God who truly sees how special I am?"

He will welcome you.... and if your heart and deeds are right, you'll make it through.

BUT NOT WITHOUT GOD IN YOUR LIFE. Sorry bro. I have no idea what's in your heart. I'm not the judge. Just relaying the facts behind the story.

You're going to have to give up that pride and bow down to the God. Confess your sins out loud before man, and accept Jesus as your judge and Savior.

I didn't write em, I just read em. If you already have these bases covered, your in. Otherwise, your desire for Jesus to let you in based soley on the beauty of your heart will be met with tears. The kinda tears that last for ever and ever.

Quite the contrast to my goal for sure.

JusSayin


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Your opinion. That's ok...(((shrug)))

I have love, give love, receive love. It's that simple. No lord is required.

Curiosity reigns...what are the "cuppla" other things and what is supposed to be gotten through?

Why does pride need enter into it? I swore an oath to these words, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." Just following the tenets of my beliefs. It's not pride to refuse to do what you know is wrong. One should simply not give fealty to another.
You don't understand...as with your belief, you are compelled to follow it's tenets and teach others about it. The same goes with mine.

Setting oneself apart? You follow Christianity. Isn't it setting oneself apart following one faith? There are just too many faiths and philosophies for me to say any one of them has the perfect truth. Better to find the common thread that binds them all and that thread makes us all equal. JMHO

Then it should be left on it's own.

I disagree, it's quite the opposite... makes one part of the whole.

Wow! First I'm called prideful then immature for my beliefs. That isn't nice and I will continue to argue the veracity of both statements.

Not there, here.

Nah...nothing really special about loving. We're all capable of it. It's that "common thread" thing that makes us equal. ...love one another...
I may be talented (blessed, in your lingo?) but I'm not special.

??? You know I don't do deities, why bother? Oh, yea...right...I remember...it's ok.
Again, through what?

Did you really have to go there? I feel like Rodney Dangerfield. "I don't get no respect"

Sure you do. I've already told you and I was serious!

Good thing because opinions aren't facts.

"Oh, my white brother"....You really went there. Aren't you supposed to refrain from doing that? I'll check for ya......dadadadadumdeedum...ah, here it is...

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=232007&f=88

Yup, not cool. Besides, the OT deity is yours not mine. I don't even know your deity exists. Maybe yes, maybe no.


Confessing one's sin aloud sounds foolish. Better to council with the offended party, along with others considered wise, and find solutions. Ha, at my age really good sinnin' is a thing of the past.

In where??? Where only the special ones go? No, thank you.

How the hell did "my desire" get into this? There was an "if" in what I wrote. Again with the "in"? I don't believe in an in...or an out! All that is truly known is we have the now, each other and we should love one another. And we damn well better figure out how to do that soon.

For sure...my goal is simple. Learn to love more every day and to serve to the best of my capacity. After all, as an ordained minister (meaning "servant") one is compelled to do so. Keeping an oath is a matter of honor.

Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk...

Lovin' U

Zen....Coyote

 

hahaha i was going to say oprah but i think kanye is definately a close second

 

bts thx for the link

 

zencoyote says: "Learn to love more every day and to serve to the best of my capacity. After all, as an ordained minister (meaning "servant") one is compelled to do so. Keeping an oath is a matter of honor."


The love of God given without condition, is beyond what can be taught. We may remove the barriers that we have erected against it, "remove the log", the only one being specialness in any form, "Judgment". To paraphrase zen, precious, not special. Do you promise to love forsaking all others? You cannot then love your neighbor.
All men are created equal and the measure you give is the measure you get, are the same truth.

 

lmaooooooooooooooooooooo

 

the red guy.