Any 'Good' Communist Regimes?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Jimbee68, Feb 27, 2019.

  1. lion1978

    lion1978 Lifetime Supporter Staff Member Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

    NO there isn't unless of couse you are one of the few top communist in a communist country
  2. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Some musings

    As I said earlier a number of what would be seen as left leaning ideas became popular in opposition to the exploitative capitalism of that time (late 18th-19th and early 20th century) in those countries passing through what was to be called the Industrial Revolution.

    These political movements and the unrest they caused (there was a wave of revolution in Europe in 1848) where suppressed by the established elites often brutally suppressed (with the army been deployed against unarmed civilians).

    But many even in those elites realised that the needs of the disadvantaged in society who flocked to the new left wing ideas had to be addressed sometimes with was for altruistic or moral reasons other times for more selfish ones (the fear that a successful revolution might end with them been the ones guillotined).

    That trend (often moving slowly or only when political unrest became intense) continued through the 19th and early 20th century especially as the Russian Revolution seem to confirm the fears of the advantaged.

    Social policies were changed (stopping child labour for example) the voting franchise was extended and rudimentary welfare provisions set up (spurred in many places by the Great Depression)

    The Marshall Plan for Europe after WWII was meant to try and stop ‘free’ Europe from turning to communism as where the integrated welfare systems that were established in most none communist European counties at that time (the UK NHS for example set up in 1948) that were often pushed for by socialist.

    The distributive systems set up after the war by left leaning political movements have been undermined by neoliberalist ideas from the 1980’s onward which coincided with the realisation of the deficiencies with Communist states like Russia. Neoliberalists felt vindicated and encouraged when the wall fell followed by soviet Russia, and the distributive system carried on been undermined, believe that left wing ideas had been vanquished.

    That idea has been undermined by 2008 and the realisation of the deficiencies of neoliberal capitalism.
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  3. granite45

    granite45 Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    There was a wonderful book “Platform for change” out about 40 years ago. It was written by Stanford Beers, a UK operations research analyst, who was part of the Allende government. He provided a detailed look at the attempts to hold predatory capitalist forces at bay and develop a socialist system responsive to the needs of the Chilean people. The book, sadly, also recounts the assasination of Allende and the grim story of the Pinochet brutality that squashed the dream. Not very complementary of the role of the US and right wing capitalists. The movie “Missing” also provided a glimpse of that sad time
  4. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member Super Moderator

    The Hurons pre United States had communal land ownership.
    The Iroquois had a similar system.
  5. GuerrillaLorax

    GuerrillaLorax along the peripheries of civilization

    That's evolutionarily false:

    Bonobo - Wikipedia

    That's historically false:

    Against His-Story Against Leviathan

    The Original Affluent Society

    Anarchy Works

    That's currently false:




    Hambach Forest

    Corridor of Resistance


    La ZAD

    (Just to name a few)
  6. etherea

    etherea mother of the idiot children

    Some interesting reading here! Wasn't going to participate in this debate but opened a few of you links and well..............
    Been in a couple of southern/central american socialist countries - nothing but praise for how they operate the health, education and general camaraderie.
  7. lode

    lode One Man Orgy HipForums Supporter

    Communism by a Marxist definition is stateless, so communist and regime are somewhat contradictory terms. A bunch of nations have tried, and strangely all seemed to have tried by drastically increasing the power of the state.

    I don't think Communism is achievable by anything else than small voluntary associations, as shown in GuerrillaLorax's post. I think otherwise you'd have to force it, ending up in a dramatically more powerful state.

    I don't think it's necessarily impossible in the future. But not until we've dealt with tribalism and the house of cards that is the global financial system.
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  8. Flagme15

    Flagme15 Members

    There are not any truly communists nations any more. China, Vietnam, Cuba have been corrupted by capitalism.
  9. I wonder what communist ice cream is like.
  10. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator


    Delicious – I visited a collectivist commune in France once and they made gelato and it was fantastic.
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  11. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

    B, Capitalism is the biggest fraud ever pull on humanity. The average guy in a capitalist nation is just supposed to pursue happiness and prosperity but never attain it.
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  12. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

    I had the Hobsa sandwich and chased it with homemade pistachio ice cream!
  13. GuerrillaLorax

    GuerrillaLorax along the peripheries of civilization

  14. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

    If you are not as disgusted by the hammer and sickle as you are the swastika. Then education has failed you.
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  15. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    You are confusing Stalin with Marx. They are two different people. I guess in your mind they have to seek the same goals. Marx never supported any violence to rivals. Communism is a natural thing that happens over time with workers. There is no need for violence.

    You should educate yourself on the history of the USSR and how unpopular Stalin and Lenin's ideas were. How people felt they were not the right path for the new country.

    Communism itself does not disgust me. People dying through a dictator yes but they are not the same thing. Not as if one brings the other. That's the view of people who don't bother to understand governments.
  16. GuerrillaLorax

    GuerrillaLorax along the peripheries of civilization

    They're the same in that they both murdered their leftist opponents. But they're different in that one literally committed genocide.
  17. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

    It's a rotten shame that Marx never became a dictator. That way, there'd be no debate as to whether or not his ideas work. He just inspired all the monsters that came after him.

    But like I said, the education has failed you and the guy who posted after you.
  18. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    So you admit that you have no base for your assumptions? No real prof from events in life.

    IF Marx had done this or that. That proves my point. You don't know none of us do. All we can do is look at the book and assume what could be. My assumption communism does not have to be deadly has the same basis as yours that it is.
  19. Eleven

    Eleven Member

    To a Republican or Libertarian, anything that inconveniences them is "Communism". I know a guy who worked in management for decades who calls himself a little "L" libertarian. He's comical. If I were to advocate, say, paid sick leave for all, he'd tell himself that I just needed to take "Economics 101". Golly Gee, he'd say in his head, if only people took economics 101 they would all become Republicans. Because, his delusion tells him, we will see an economic collapse unless businessmen get their way.

    In other words, he debates Communism when there are no Communists or Communist ideas around him. He is being manipulative of himself and others.
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2020
  20. wrat1

    wrat1 Members

    And what of those who ARE basically happy and prosperous?
    Happiness is a rather nebulous goal to begin with as its a personal thing defined differently by individuals what makes one person happy could make another miserable

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