Anti-Male Bias all around us.

most of the people on these forums have made that exact same argument (myself included) for ages now. i'm surprised that, having been around as you have, that you never picked up on that.

 

How many stay at home dads do you know? I'd be surprised if you know any. And even if you only know a few stay at home moms, that's still a higher ratio.

Uh yea well at least the full-time stay-at-home mom can go next door and have a cup of coffee with the neighboor full-time stay-at-home mom whenever they want to. The dude, on the other hand, is at work, and slacking off gets him fired. Slacking off on washing the dishes or vacuuming won't get the woman fired or ruin her life.

Well. It's their fault, after all, it was women who broke the whole dynamic that used to work... men go to work, women stay at home and take care of the house, marriage, then kids, stay together, rarely divorce, etc.

I grew up looking forward to love, marriage, and a family. And now I'm highly disenchanted. I would never think to trust a woman to have my son, or daughter, when she can so easily take it away from me.

Why would I have to be? Cuz I'm talking to chicks? They're equal, they can deal with it... they're not exactly being sensitive to how I feel so fuck it.

 

Confuzzled, as a man let me just say this, the 1820's are that way.

 

I really only owe it to my fiance to act like a lady around him. The bible says you have to submit to your husband, not submit to men in general.

I manage a multi million dollar budget at work and am in charge of a department with 200+ employees...yet I can't balance a check book or pay bills on time or make good decisions in my personal life. I thank god for Andy. He takes such good care of me.
I took my typical women's liberal arts degree and natural female ability with kids and excelled professionaly very young and am now senior management because of my FEMINIE abilities-not my ability to be an equal.
I am blessed that I can bring home the same paycheck that he can, but I am humble enough to not take my attitude at work home. The day I have children I will also stop working because I truely believe my place is in the home. This is because he is a wonderful man who has my best interest at heart and has the ability to support a family both emotionaly and financialy.. I am a ball buster at work, but I am a kitten at home. This is because I do not think I have to submit to men in general, just my husband. Don't get me wrong I answer yes sir to both my boss and my husband when it's appropriate, but this is because these are two people who take care of me. My boss by hiring mem, teaching me and offering me a paycheck and my husband by just caring for me in the most unbelivable way.
What I am trying to say is that if you want a girl who is going to treat you like a king you need to be her knight.

 

I plan to be a bit of a stay-at-home dad someday myself. My partner and I both work, but she is on more of a traditional career track than I am. My aspiration is to be a writer, which allows me more freedom to stay at home. I imagine when we have children, we'll both spend time at home with them. It's important to both of us to be involved.

What is the issue here? Do you want to be a stay-at-home dad? I know from personal experience that it can be frustrating to be a 'man' and want to stay home and do the housework and be nurturing to your kids. There are a lot of societal biases against that!

 

Well good for you lynsey.

See that's what I'm talking about. Women always argue that things aren't equal and they still have a long way to go.

Great, good for them. When the fuck do we get ours? Not "the partiarchal male society", but the average fucking Joe who's back civilization is built on. It was our labor, our sweat, our tears, or blood, our sacrafices that built the world we live in.

100 years ago there was basically one way things went:
Men worked outside the home.
Women worked inside the home.
Men went to war, so they got to vote.
Women raised kids, they didn't get to vote.

Women wanted all the same abilities as men. They got it. But they still have the option of living traditionally.

Men still have one option. Work. And if they don't work, they're on the streets or living with mom and dad and either situation isn't very conducive to a woman falling in love with you. Fuck, does love even exist? I don't even know anymore.

But things are fucked up, and there are real men's issues, and feminists don't wanna talk about it because they love having an advantage in society, and they'll play the victim to hide the fact that there even is one.

Stay at home dad's. Gee, I know a lot of men who would secretly love that job. And I know a lot of women who say they would accept that situation... but we all know what women say they want and would do and what they actually want and do are two different things. Actions/word discrepency. So just because a chick says she's down with a stay at home dad, doesn't mean she's actually ever gonna tolerate it.

 

You know you say 100 years ago how women worked at home, but you're forgetting for the good majority of poor people in cities the women were off working at mills too, as were the children in many cases

 

So? Oh but I bet some chick is gonna come and talk about how women had it worse in that situation, or something.

Either way the majority of people in the mills were men.

 

RFEad the book 'Wild and Heart' and 'Enchanting'. There are women out there who want to treat you like a king, but you need to earn it first. I put my fiance through the ringer when we first started dating. As soon as he earned his place in my life I treat him unbelivable and I get so much in return for it. He is away at work right now and is the only guy who wants to come home for the weekend to see his wife-because he knows what he is going to get when he comes home-an adoring fiance who wants to have sex with him, make him a drink and tell him how great he is. I am dounting the other guys get that at home or else they would surely want to come home as well.

 

Great? I could care less about attracting a woman, or having the situation you describe, so it's all a moot point to me.

 

I really don't think that feminism is the enemy here, though, and minimizing the reality of ongoing discrimination is not the way to go to achieve more equality, ConfuzzledOne. You may not believe that women are still an oppressed and unequal population here in these enlightened times of 2007, but many people do. Are men oppression-free? No, of course not. Tradition and patriarchy limit our roles as well. Yet having a reaction to feminism will not make any real gains for men. We are all tied up in a corrupt, broken system that needs positive reworking from the inside, and while it's true that sometimes you have to destroy in order to create, please consider what it is that you are actually fighting against. Are you angry at women for gaining rights, or are you angry at THE MAN (that asshole!!) for keeping you pinned down?

As for me, THE MAN pisses me off. I embrace the changes that women have made, and realize that we all have a long way to go. I'm honored and happy when I can stand in solidarity with both women and men in a struggle for freedom. That's what this is all about, after all--freedom for every human being, regardless of color/genitalia/relgion/etc.

 

I totally agree. WOmen who stay at home should thank their husbands every night for allowing them the opportunity that so many men now deem u8nessecary. Stay at home moms may work longer hours, but like you said they can take a break whenever they want and plus IT's THEIR OWN CHILDREN!!!!!! They should be doingit anyway-it shouldn't be work

 

But...you want a woman who willo respect you and not take advantage over you or run over you;right? Attracting a woman is never the hard part. It's about hving the woman you want who TREATS YOU RIGHT and who YOU WANT to treat you right. I am not doubting that you can attract women, however I know you want to attract a woman who fits within your ideals and I am just offering suggestions...if they are not welcome I will leave-no hard feelings. This is afterall the men's forum.

 

Dude, look. I'm trying to talk about issues that men have. Real things that are going on. And look. The majority of people in this topic, are women, and they are either
A) Not taking it seriously
B) Refuting it
So in either case, of course I'm going to have a strong reaction. A and B are not conducive to equality. If I was a woman posting about women's inequality and issues, I would be supported, and you'd even having a femidudes like boringeagle stick their faces in my crotch and worship. But when a man stands up and says "Hey wait a second! It's not like men were any better off than they are today. In fact, it's not like men were ever better off, period. I want a piece of the pie. And look, in fact, we are becoming worse off than we used to be!" a bunch of women come and try to slap him down. How is that fair?

Yes, of course I'm going to hate feminism. Because whenever I try to talk about masculinist issues, a feminist or group of feminists come and steal the discussion and twist it into their own thread. So of course I'm gonna dislike feminists and what they do.

 

No. I could care less about having a woman in my life. I see nothing that a woman offers me that I can't get elsewhere and with less sacrafice.

 

Well good luck to you! I will take that as my cue to leave the men's forum. *looks down* yeah I don't have the right equipment to have a membership here lol. Have a great day everyone-especially you KC-you hot piece of ass you. I gotta get my slacker self to work...grrrrrr I wanna stay home and play with the dog and wash the sheets and twels.....):

 

I don't believe anyone ever said every white man had the right to vote when the country was founded. That is why it was changed, and that is why later on it was changed that males and females both can vote. The goal is for equality. A person's rights shouldn't depend on wealth or gender or race or a number of other things. We are all humans. By protecting their own rights, women aren't denying yours. I don't see anyone in this thread saying men never had to go through anything terrible, but I do see you acting as though women exaggerate about what they went through.

What I said above relates to this.

Again, nobody ever denied the struggles of the times. You act as though nobody acknowledges hardships unless it involves women. That is not true at all. You also act as though women sat around while men entered the jungle of the workforce. They did much, much more than wash a couple of dishes. Men were appreciated and respected for what they went through for their families. Were women?

When a man carries a child for nine months in his womb and gives birth to it, then he'll have a case. Until then, a child should live with its mother. Depending on the circumstances, women do not always get the child. If the mother is a drug addict, for example, the father has custody. Also, it's not as though fathers are never able to see their children. In most cases, the father and mother are able to each spend time with the child.

Would you mind supplying some proof for this statement?

Is that so? Then why are there so many families today with the mother working and the father staying at home?

I think your attitude is what is ruining the discussion you've hoped for. By repeatedly insulting people, you are losing a lot of respect. Calling people "feminazi" and "boringeagle" is going to get you nowhere. Try actually seeing other opinions besides your own without attacking people, and then maybe you'll have a nice discussion going.

 

Children do better with both parents present, average when it's a single-father, and below average when it's a single-mom. Your logic may be sound, but your goal is selfish and in the longrun not healthy for children.

And I said men hardly get custody. Which means the majority of cases women get custody. Which means there are cases where men get custody. But they are 1 out of 10.

Again, there is an exception to every rule. How every, while there are "so many" of those cases, I know of 0, can you name any that you know personally, or anyone here knows pesonally, and also, the percentage is probably 1% or less than 1% of families. Thank you.

When I make a topic, and I say "hey, let's discuss the forms of anti-male bias all around us" and a bunch of chicks and a few dudes come in and say:
"You're funny! You're like a little school boy who's whining!"
or
"It's your fault." (good one, boringeagle)
or
"It doesn't really exist, shut up."
or
"This topic is pointless."

You really expect me to take that seriously? I want to discuss the forms of antimale bias around us. I HAVE ALREADY POINTED OUT THAT ANTIMALE BIAS EXISTS, AND WOMEN HERE HAVE EVEN DEMONSTRATED ANTIMALE BIAS WHILE DENYING THAT IT EVEN EXISTS.

This is not a thread for people to point out the things that women have "suffered" in the past. We've heard enough about that, and at any rate, that type of discussion is in the wrong forum here.

This is a thread to talk about the current, existing forms of antimale bias, what we can do to change it, how it makes us (us being men, but I'm not going to exclude respectful women from the discussion) feel.

Instead look at what the topic has turned into, because no one wanted to take it seriously.

Well I say, kindly, fuck it then.

 

Yea you know what, fukitol. When life gets you down, fukitol, 100mg.

Moderatators, lock this fucking topic. It's obvious society isn't mature enough to discuss issues like this yet. Thanks. Bye.

 

It seems like society has been debating it rather well and it's been a nice long debate going, often the main point of political threads like this.