Anti-Male Bias all around us.

See, I was kidding, and it hurts, doesn't it?

I'm not saying that this is excusable, but I would urge you to think about what you're saying. It seems pretty similar to what everyone else says. If there's an injustice against men, then yeah, it's bad.

This doesn't mean that women have it any better though. Rapists might occasionally get the "trial by media" that you describe, but conviction is much much rarer. Children is a touchy area and they do tend to err on the side of caution - and I'll be honest, I'm not sure I would've believed the kid either because it's pretty messed up - but most rape allegations aren't believed, whether you're male or female. I'd agree that men are less likely to get sympathy, but you describe it as being a lot more clear-cut than it is.

 

Don't get me wrong, by the way, I'm probably a lot more misogynistic than you. I just don't have much truck with ignorance. I know that my reasons for hating women are subjective, or based on gender-typical personality conflicts, but I wouldn't assert that things are true that just flat out aren't.

To those who are mystified as to why this thread is attracting so much negative attention: that's basically why. If you assert that any man who has sex with a women will be sent to prison as a rapist, you are completely fucking wrong. No question.

 

nuh uh!

 

A simple "no" would've sufficed.

 

man, if i was 12 and had a 19 year old female babysitter...i'd probably shoot myself for having a babysitter at that age.

but OTOH, if she wanted me to lick whipped creme off her pussy, i'd gladly do it

 

Stealing your spotlight huh.. what makes you think just bc your a man you get all the light... just like you don't get all the blanket or all the best parts of the meat on the table, or all the best jobs.. ever hear of equailty.. One can not be with out the other, dude.

Sounds like plain ole jelousy to me. Come on out of the closet it's a new milinium..Men are having babies now.. you may be next, whine about that.

 

No, just that since you base your view on your own personal experience of the world, I'll continue to base my view on my own, rather than yours.

Fact is, you're going to be filtering your worldview, whether you think you are or not. You see pro-male bias disappearing and read it as anti-male bias, because you've never been anyone else - pro-male is the norm for you, so when people work towards equality, you feel like your norm is being threatened.

Same applies to me, of course, and that's why we cite sources rather than just repeatedly asserting that bias is "everywhere" and saying people should "just look around you" or whatever else; two people will look at the world and see different things NOT because one of them is blind to the truth, but simply because they are different people.

 

Do you think that women are better than men at anything (other than making babies, because obviously they still need men to step in and help them out with that)?

I'd be interested in reading if you were to elaborate on that.

 

No doubt about that.

 

No, there's no doubt about it. Not that it's any secret: the whole idea behind it was to redress the balance to help out those who were disadvantaged. Obviously that involves bias, but I don't know, do y'all think you've uncovered some grand conspiracy or something?

Thing is, affirmative action is an incredibly controversial issue. Most people I've spoken to are against it, and if anything more people from the demographics that are supposedly reaping the benefit of positive discrimination are against it. People find it belittling, demeaning, condescending, or just plain pointless. I don't know how widespread it is, but it is bad because apart from anything it implies that the employer can't be expected to judge prospective employees based on their actual merits if one of them happens to be black or female.

The shit thing about it is, it comes from a good place, but I don't know, does it actually happen anymore? Most of what it was meant to achieve seems to be covered by access to education programmes and such, and I've not heard anyone reputable refer to it in years. Just kinda curious. I mean, I'm sure some of us will happily insist that affirmative action is going on every single time they fail a job interview, but I'm wondering if there is actually any active affirmation action programme still in existence.

 

ah, hell, guys, you know i do have sympathy. nothin glike hurting and having people show up with all their "how i got it worse so you should shut up" stories. i know. the only thing i REALLY objected to was the shame and blame game going on around here. the "all women are evil and to blame for everything and we should go back to the dark ages/chattel/legal to beat era so that i can be happy again" comments. seriously, those guys need a labotomy and chemical castration.

 

Not at all. I don't think its a conspiracy. Just a plan to equalize the disadvantaged that never worked out, and can never work out, because you can't correct bias with more bias.

Good intentions are the source of all bad ideas.

 

my mother, when she had to go on welfare for a couple months, very nearly lost her soul. she'd busted her ass her whole life, and she just couldn't make it without my dad to help her to support three kids. bless her heart, man. i can't imagine what it's like to have no where available to aleviate that neccesity. because pride goes out the window when you have little ones to raise. and after long enough, that way out becomes THE WAY. if you raise an elephant with a chain around it's neck, eventually all you need to keep that elephant tame is a small rope. however, if from time to time that elephant STOMPS THE LIVING SHIT out of it's keeper, who do you blame? it's very much the same for all the people we've come to own through welfare. yeah, there's more white people on welfare. any wonder why there's so many militia group types? so many disaffected young white males? not really a mystery.

 

Well yeah, it was basically a failed experiment. The notion of equivalency rather than equality is a real bugger, to be honest. Equality, hard though it is to achieve, is always going to be easier than trying to establish which rights are equivalent to which biases or whatever.

What I'm wondering is, if/when we actually get full legal equality, will it actually stabilise? You gotta figure bias came from somewhere; I reckon if you gave people a blank slate they'd just come up with a whole load of new spacky rules and social mores to fuck people over with.

 

Is there a disproportionate amount of white males on benefits? Relative to other races and genders, I mean. Just curious.

 

sheer numbers, man. mainly white single mothers with their children. with that whole dead-beat dad thing, as well as those dads that simply can' make enough to support themselves, much less their families: good intentions or not.i really don't have such a pessimistic view of humanity at large. merely in terms of ignoring the small devastations purely in favor of the larger crimes. those smaller devastations have much more a hold over society than anyone wants to say they do.

 

i read something once that made me think. it was along the lines of "what if you took all the world's money and resources, and distributed it equally amongst everyone. within several generetions, you have the old wealthy wealthy again and the poor poor again.

 

oh i dunno...i think we should give it a try!

 

Actually, I was more asking whether there were more than you'd expect compared to other races - as in, in a city where the population is 90% white, you'd expect 90% of those on benefits to be white, etc. It's what makes the difference between it being a problem of race/gender and a problem generally, although to be honest, if one demographic is less likely to be collecting benefits than another, seems kinda like we should be looking at what they're doing right, rather than accusing them of doing something wrong.

The reason I'm asking is the reason I'm questioning a lot of this anti-male bias stuff; quite often people are citing things that affect women just as much as men.

It's interesting that this comes up in reference to affirmative action though, since the two have a relationship to each other that seems to be widely misinterpreted. Mr RealMan(TM) might be convinced that every black guy with a job of any kind got it through affirmative action, but as I understood it, it was intended as more of a symbolic gesture, to get minorities above the perceived glass ceiling - essentially to give them opportunities that they were seen to be (and evidentially were) being denied. From there, you encourage minorities to strive for careers, rather than accept that there's a limit to what they can achieve because of their race/gender and not even trying.

I also find it ironic that white men being on benefits is seen as a bias against white men. Over here, people are usually complaining about how the dirty immigrants/asylum seekers (because most people don't know the difference) get all the benefits they want while the white men get nothing. And that's kinda... I dunno, it suggests that some people will always be able to find a way to feel victimised, regardless of their actual situation and its relation to that of others. If you have benefits, you don't want them, if you don't have them, they're the only thing you've ever wanted!

 

And this is why we have The Sims; so we can try these things out without fucking millions of people over.