Another Nra Mass Shooting....

no, I was just illustrating that there are lies and deception on both sides of the fence so if a person is truly interested and concerned, they should take the time to get the facts, as the media is going to present a skewed perspective regardless of what side of the fight they are on, don't you agree?


and ammo type is very often bundled into gun ban/restriction laws, or at least attempted to be tied in.

 

Did you note the recent federal court ruling? I posted it earlier.

http://www.independentsentinel.com/federal-court-upholds-some-gun-bans-in-two-states/
Connecticut’s ban on the non-semi-automatic Remington 7615 was determined to be unconstitutional.
The court said a seven-round load limit in New York could not be imposed even as it upheld other bans on magazines.

Politicians can fuck up, and I agree, some of them play on ignorance. But the difference between types of guns is no mystery, and it's not rocket science. It's unfortunate some of these things have to be challenged in federal court to make it right, it's a waste of taxpayer dollars is all. I wouldn't cry if someones in Connecticut couldn't buy a Remington 7615 for a while.

Now here's what a proper 7615 Remington Ranch looks like...



But those that seem to think they can't live without a 7615 Rem that looks like this....

I say they need to grow the fuck up and realize what kind of world we live in and the kind of vibe they want to give off. I don't want to ban them because of the way they look, but I would really question the kind individual that says they gotta have all that crap just to shoot a deer or for some kind of home security.

It's straight up 'Rambo syndrome' if you ask me.

 

I would thank you to cite that.

 

Reminds me a little of my Ruger 10/22 SEMI AUTO I had as a kid.

Hey, when you hunt for food to survive and rabbits a plenty, you can't be fiddling with the bolt or pump.

Funny, owning weapons since around 10 years old and military service, I never once found a desire to walk into a theater or church. Conclusion is with the owner not the weapon.

I do not agree with buybacks; or complete banning of guns. However, I do find overzealous owners of extreme high powered weapons, fanatical and or paranoid; nor do I find it justified to own them.

Jokingly, owners do not need to worry about losing weapons to the government; we will just receive them back from the overthrowing country, when the US is at its weakest.

 

composite stocks are considerably lighter and more durable. Having it fold-able makes it easier to carry.
advancements in optics have decreased the size and weight of scopes, again making it lighter and easier to carry and maneuver.
A muzzle brake greatly reduces recoil and muzzle flash.
ALL very salient and important points when considering a hunting rifle.

so looks as if you are helping to prove my point that a lot of these laws and shit is based on how "scary" a weapon looks....LOL
Laws should be based on it's actual cyclic rate or mechanics of the receiver itself, as those are THE ONLY issues that should come under consideration, not how it looks cosmetically.

 

No ones gonna convince me they need any of that stuff to improve their hunting. The biggest improvement for most hunters would be to get out of their trucks once in a while.

I'm gonna have to agree with Asmo, I think your reading comprehension needs work if you think what I posted helps prove your point.

 

Night vision, drones and GPS tracking would be great adjuncts to a hunter arsenal as well, fortunately those things are still illegal to use.
Sorry if I'm a bit down on hunters, but I'm the kind that believes in whats called "fair chase"
Being exposed to a lot of hunters and hunting stories this time of year, I always find myself with a dim attitude towards these supposed 'sustenance hunters'
Most just wanna drink a lot of booze and shoot something.

We also have national guard that does training exercises in the woods around here. Do you know what it's like to be out hiking and come across a cammo wearing fuck packing a black military looking weapon, and not know if they are actually military or civilian militia wacko?

 

So you did not imply that what you call a "proper" rifle is perfectly fine but the ones with SUPERFICIAL and COSMETIC alterations should be banned due to their appearance?
There really is no other way to interpret what you posted.

and if you were not already aware, since they are the same receiver and action, they are quite literally and technically they are the same friggin' rifle!

 

OK, so you are approaching this issue from a very personal viewpoint, but that still doesn't change the fact that the only difference between the two rifles you posted are cosmetic and not grounds for restrictions in and of itself.

 

You are still nit-picking at details. Because some state banned a non-semi ,that somehow nullifys the entire argument of enacting laws to reduce availability of weapons capable of mass killing.?

So the ban was ruled unconstitutional because it is not technicality a semi-auto, are you happy? The Federal court did it's job.You can still buy one and play rambo all you want and do it under the guise of needing an improved hunting or hobby weapon..

Heaven forbid they ban a particular gun for the wrong reason. Does that really interfere with your life, liberty, or pursuit of the almighty dollar? The fact remains, bans on semi-auto's in Connecticut and New York have been ruled constitutional.. Call your senator. if you've got a gripe

 

As a responsible gun owner, I take exception to people who assume I'm a "Gun Nut" simply because I owe a FEW guns. What I will say though is that I encounter similar bigotry from actual gun nuts when discussing the matter. Since I rare shoot at all and can't quote models, features and barely understand grain counts, the REAL gun nuts give me all manner of grief. Even to go so far as to suggest that I'll probably shoot myself some day because I can't tell a Ruger from a Remington on sight. Nevermind that I qualified on an M14 and a 1911 Colt 45 automatic (semi), the hard core gun freaks will look down their noses at me for NOT being on par with their love of the sport.

I remember one guy in New Mexico, where liquor and ammunition are sold in convenience stores, trying to explain to me that until I fire 400 or so rounds through a given gun, I won't know shit about its performance and accuracy. I haven't fired even 20 rounds from my revolver but I am absolutely confident that if I need it (currently loaded with rat shot rounds), it will fire just fine. This issue is driven by strong emotions on both sides. I personally think that bullets can be serialized so that we will know exactly who bought them. I REALLY catch hell for that opinion and am instantly accused of want to "take away their guns". Me of all people!

 

I fully understand your position on "fair chase", but I would not advocate for it across the board. Around Atlanta the deer populations can explode. I've seen deer with ribs you could count because the hunting season was either delayed by law or weather and it can really be a mess, especially on the freeways. In Florida they are culling black bears from the woods. They got 200 on the first day. A bear is not the sort of animal you can just sit in a blind and ambush like a deer. A bear can smell your human ass for miles. So I would say that some hunters are indeed having to play it fair with some species. Same as the Oryx hunting in New Mexico!

As for cammo, I have to laugh. Many of those jokers ARE trying to look like they are military. Probably because they washed out of boot camp. And OMG I never knew cammo was available for a 375lb man. Plain olive drab works just as well. But either will stand out like a beacon if not washed in something that counters the UV florescence that deer can see quite well.

 

Here they have 'special hunts' in certain sensitive and over-populated areas for which they issue tags, but for the most part hunters don't make much of a dent in culling the herds. In some areas fish and game had to go in after hunting season with helicopters and machine guns.

The kind of high velocity, high caliber ammo you should be using to hunt big blackbear tends not to work too well in auto-loaders. I don't hunt, but If I was hunting in Florida I wouldn't want to end up embarrassed and eaten because my 7mm mag auto loader jammed in front of a charging, wounded blackie, lol I would want a short 12 gauge pump, just like fish and game wardens carry

I call 'em in with my horn, lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FZAfwyk_HQ

 

LOL, I wouldn't say that in a crowded bar around here. The grey wolf re-introduction is probably the most controversial issue there is with the locals.

"They just kill for the fun of it! They are wiping out the elk herds!"

Popular bumper stickers;

"Shoot a wolf, save an elk"

" Shoot , shovel and shut up..." with a wolf silhouette

Wolves are also included in stories about fear of being attacked, citing them as reason to carry a big gun in the woods (along with mountain lion) even though there has never been a documented case of a wolf killing a human in recent history.

 

^^^ This!