Another fun climate change thread

Well that shouldn't be too bad. My mother's milk has dried up pretty much completely.

 

Oh, it'll be bad. And then we'll think back to whatever little thing we do in the next ten years to combat it and cry, "It didn't work! Boo hoo!"

 

I dont want to know how you know that

 

I'm just exchanging thoughts on the matter. I don't make that point primarily to criticize fellow forummers. I'm sorry some tend to see it like that. People often tend to take a critical thought that also applies on their own behavior as an attack lol. Does seems like a guilty feeling is triggered. Good. But not why im reacting the way I do at all!
We as consumers have a lot of potential to trigger change. It remains unused partly out of ignorance, partly out of complacency, but also convenience. It suits a lot of folks who don't wanna miss out that people like VG trivialize this potential. In essence they know it's kind of hopeless going along with it. It's giving in and really close to giving up.
It suits a lot of people to have the idea the solutions are out of their hands.
I'm not countering that nonsense because they might fly 2 times a year. But because they 'preach' in public against and trivialize moderating wasteful and polluting efforts altogether. I react to that in public because it's imo sad and retarded. It's destructive when too many people condone and give in to such behavior and mindsets.

 

This is the prevailing conviction from a lot of people who say they care. But its a self fulfilling prophecy. And yes, they will cry and whine about it and blame governments, foreign countries, big corporations and industry and/or other consumers. But they themselves ment it real good. Hey, everybody else was doing it too! I couldn't help it.

Yes you could have at least tried. Entitled and complacent sacks of shit. Really can't blame misanthropes at times. I get them.

 

On Transport modes; last year from National Geographic......

This comparison assumes 80% of the plane seats full, 2.2 persons in the cars shown

Petrol cars vs Planes works out about the same

This Graphic Maps the Greenest Modes of Transportation

 

I want to get a Prius. Someday...

 

See, that's the thing, I'm not sure anyone here is guilty of it. I'm certainly not going to feel bad about the one flight I'm taking this year. And the fact that you're focused mostly on this rather than other ways to save the environment comes off as beating a dead horse at this point, we know flying is harmful but so are a billion other things. Maybe focus on areas where your fellow hipforum members can actually make the biggest impact?

And I dont think anyone is preaching and trying to trivialize moderating wasteful habits when it comes to flying. It's more like, pointing out that their flying habits are already moderated.


Hey, but in honor of you I've decided to take the bus this weekend instead of driving to help offset the flight I'm taking next month. I've actually never taken the city bus, should be an adventure

 

If we don't hear from you... we'll send out a search party

 

you're going to pick up more writing material from a bus ride, probably.

 

I've definitely seen some characters on the Bus.

A few that would be hardly believable in a story if they were described accurately.

 

Its irrelevant as I already explained. I don't keep reacting to people because they mention they're flying once or twice a year (I only did something like that to one fellow forummer who crammed as many flights to holiday destinations, most on the same continent, as he could in one year. You see the subtile difference?).
I keep reacting because certain others are trivializing the impact of it. It's just clear that the combined impact of how easy and careless individual consumers make use of it is not to be trivialized. I rarely bring it up out of the blue. And do not only or primarily target fellow hipforummers with the criticism on it. But if one of them mentions it I may react to their post or use them as an example.

Good (if it's only one ). But yeah, it almost sounds like a defensive reaction, while i already said I don't have a problem with 1 annual flight. It's not about me or you. Hope I cleared that up (probably not as i already tried to break this on here in a similar way...)

 

The part I dont get is: I gave up on owning a car years ago, not out of any moral reasons, but because just got fed up with driving 20 mins to get somewhere, then spending the same amount of time to find a parking spot.

Public transport in Sydney is pretty good, some parts of the world its just nasty catching the bus, but places like Sydney, especially over the last decade once we got decent mobile data speeds to watch stuff on our phones.....i dont understand why there are still so many people that drive their cars, look at peak hour and 90% of the cars only have one person in them

Include depreciation and a car ends up costing you 5 to 10 grand a year also

 

I completely agree. I would much rather someone else do the stressful driving bit and I can just look out of the window and listen to music.

 

All those batteries though

Electric cars vs petrol, 1/4 of the emissions getting pumped out, but electric cars have 5000 little batteries strung together in those battery packs, replaced every couple of years
X 100s of millions if they become popular

5000 x 200 milion every 5 years, thats a shitload of batteries to end up leaking out of landfill

 

I had a roommate once who wrote a paper in college about how environmentally unfriendly the batteries are in electric cars. Totally changed my mind about them. I hope he made an A on that paper

Also, I also hate driving and maintaining a car. The public transportation system here sucks but they have been trying to beef up the bus system. And they're in the process of converting the fleet to electric buses..which...the batteries lol
It's hopeless

 

"There are no problems, only solutions"

say people

 

They have Uber cars, why not Uber buses.

App could relatively easily calculate shortest route.

Should be a thing already.

We have Bridj thing here, you book a bus to come pick you up, but they only follow a set route

Edit: Probably an insurance thing, driver would be looking at a gps screen half the time

 

I believe Uber employs drivers as independent contractors which means they aren't responsible for gas mileage, maitenance and insurance for the driver's cars.

With buses, they would probably have to assume more responsibility for that stuff and they would probably have to get a bunch more permits for having destination stops around the city.