Another fun climate change thread

Lol @ VG for trying so hard to label MeAgain as a gullible idiot. And compliments to MeAgain for keeping responding in depth and constructive!

 

Well, those two pics you posted:





How we supposed to react when we see these two photos? Oooh rock solid proof of climate change?, first one just looks like a sandbar, an area about 50m wide, 2nd one is just a bunch of reef islands that dont seem to have disappeared???

Theres no context, why are before and after shots so hard to come up with?

This is the kind of article you pull those pics from:
Rise in sea level causes five islands in Solomons to disappear: study | DW | 07.05.2016

They dont even mention where those pics are taken
They then add a picture of the 2014 floods, like somehow excessive rain fall has something to do with sea levels



And the exact same story gets parroted across 12 different news sites with the exact same pics

"Kepidau" "Pehlengand" and "Nahlapenlohd" where are they? / Where were they?

How about the names of these 5 mystery "islands" in the Solomons that have disappeared

Thats a total of 8 "islands" that have disappeared, please present one single photo of any of them

Just one photo, of any of those 8....why dont the photos exist?

How about finding them on google maps?

So Kepidau, the reef off the southeast coast of Pohnpei, that was never above water and that never was an island, has disappeared because of the sea level rises has it?

"Patrick left the University of the South Pacific in 2010 to become Head of the School of Behavioural, Cognitive and Social Sciences at the University of New England, a position he held until joining the University of the Sunshine Coast as Professor of Geography in March 2014."

Nothing says Climatology like Behavioural sciences, thats the CV of a guy that is forced to move

Oh, we've changed this original point now have we, made it vaguer.....so you take out the If greenland/Antartic/Glaciers melt sea levels go up 58/66 or 70m part

How much of the ice on Greenland has melted?

Greenland ice sheet sea level equivalence was supposed to be 7.36m. If all the ice on Greenland melts, sea levels go up 7.36 metres

2.85 million cubic kilometres of ice on Greenland according to the IPCC in 2001

Its lost anywhere from 0,1% of its total volume to 17% of its total volume depending on who you source . If 17% sea levels should have risen 1.2 metres already

 

Before and After pics are all he or anyone else would need, then it would be a slam dunk

Before and After pics of any island, anywhere on the earth thats disappeared

Why is that so hard?

 

In order to satisfy your peculiar person. But you act like everything regarding the ice on landmass and rising sea levels is bogus and people that consider it extremely likely are idiots.
Now MeAgain is an idiot for going along with islands being atols, but you apparently didn't even got the name of the researcher right
But carry on lol

 

Yes, My position is that a claim of a 70m sea level rise from all the land based ice melting is mind numbingly ridiculous, totally bogus and was never even possible in the 40 years we have been hearing it

Oh, I mixed up Patrick D Nunn with Patrick Dunn, oh big score there

 

I am asking for one single photo of one of these "islands" around Pohnpei or the names of these mysterious 5 "islands" in the Solomons that supposedly have disappeared. Or how about the actual paper itself. Unless you have paid 35 Euros, you havent read it anyway. There are some of his books you can buy, I'll bet there are no pictures of the these islands

Of course there are thousands of papers on coastal erosion, but this one seems to be the only one claiming that erosion only comes from sea level rises.

It should be self evident, but if sea levels have only gone up 20cm, we will say 30 cm to be generous, then we are only ever going to be talking about "islands" that were less than a foot above sea level in the first place


You respond by giving me Nunns CV. Which also makes things self evident. If you wanted to pick the brain of the Head of Behavioural sciences in 2012 about psychology, and you found out he spent the previous two decades installing tidal gauges in the south pacific, and that was his expertise, you'd be like huh?

Tenure doesnt exist in Australia or Fiji in the same way it does in the US. And the Sunshine coast Uni and New England, these are nothing universities, likely he was just Head of Behavioural Science becuase they couldnt find anyone else at the time. And just as likely he got booted out of the Uni in Fiji

"Now if this report is bogus, his peers and fellow scientists would have called him on it, he would have been disgraced and his work called into question"

By the looks of things, thats what happened, he wouldnt be stuck in Armidale otherwise, literally out out to pasture

Well, thats what you are stuck with defending. All the ice above sea level on greenland melts, sea levels rise 7.36 m. Its on NOAAs website, so thats according to the experts

Which means 1% of it melts, sea levels go up 7.36 centimetres, thats on top of all other causes

Also means that even if there is so much as a 1% differential in the volume of that above sea level ice on greenland between summer and winter, sea levels should jump up and down 7.36 cm...73.6 cm, 2 1/2 ft if its 10%

But none of that has happened / is happening , so either all of those experts are wrong or none of that ice has melted




Well, 2.6 mm a year, if thats was ONLY from the above sea level ice on greenland melting then that would be equal to 0.0026m/7.36m = 0.035% of that ice melting per year. you know, according to the experts

 

I did google Kepidau. Here is what I found.

"And some islands have disappeared entirely. Local people told the researchers about two former islands called Kepidau en Pehleng and Nahlapenlohd – the latter of which was famous for hosting a great battle between warring chiefdoms in 1850. Both appear to have vanished within the last century.

Aerial images revealed that another six low-lying islands – in the unpopulated Laiap, Nahtik and Ros island chains – became submerged between 2007 and 2014. Each was about 100 square metres."
Eight low-lying Pacific islands swallowed whole by rising seas

You are right that before-and-after pics would be very telling since it seems that the researchers relied on local people's recollections. And Kepidau en Pehleng and Nahlapenlohd appear to have vanished. Did they vanish, or did they just appear to vanish, and what is the difference between vanishing and appearing to vanish? Not quite the comprehensive study people seem to think it is.

And those little "islands" that have disappeared were like 30 feet by 30 feet in area. 30 by 30 feet areas in the fucking ocean.

 

If Seeing the World Helps Ruin It, Should We Stay Home

Just posting this because it made me immediately think of @Asmodean

 

Whether you personally get on a plane or not isn't going to be the deciding factor on whether or not that plane takes flight. So, no. It's not worth staying at home for IMO.

 

Yeah I've been on a nearly empty plane before, the people not on the plane didnt affect it at all (which was niiiiice, I stretched across 3 seats and went to sleep!)

I do see his point about taking alternate means of transportation when possible. But in the US I can drive all day and only be 2 states away. Flying is a necessity if I want to see other cultures

 

You are only looking at the in the moment decision and the current situation. We have to change the current situation by looking further than just whats possible at the very moment.
If a majority of people decides to ignore the cheapest flights and limit their air travel to a minimum the impact is significant.

One time a year to the other world is bearable (if not everyone is doing it ). Feeling entitled to not make a change at all in this regard, just because other people will go in your place, is what will fuck us up.
These companies will have to change their business approach of how much and for what price they can fly.

Frankly I understand people who don't care about the future of our planet, ecosystems and nature and shit. But not people who care about that stuff and act mainly on their opportunistic and self entitled convictions. They must either be oblivious to the (combined and increasing) impact of air travel on the environment or not really care that much at all. Not more than they care about passing up a such a deal or opportunity surely. 'I maybe could do without or compensate, but if nobody else seems to be making such an effort i'll take it anyway'. A fine way to keep raping the world.

 

I think you're probably preaching at the wrong people here asmo. From what I can see most hipforum members travel once or twice a year. We're not jet setters lol

 

Actually if you walk instead of fly it would take up more resources per person per mile. And definately more resources driving than flying

So walking is bad for the environment, you have to eat and drink to do so, products thar have to be made, packaged, transported

 

But its another set of false assumptions.

Why target air travel?

How many useless car trips around the world each day, how many car trips each day around the world with only one person in the car. How many useless bus and train trips around the world with no body in them outside peak hour. All of which per mile travelled are using up more resources, creating more pollution than commercial jets.

And what about all the military trucks, ships, planes around the world that havent really done anything except training exercises for 75 years.

Or all those massive oceanliners full of fat middle aged tourists?

 

I don’t think he drives a car.

 

I hadn't actually considered that my energy expelled requires sustenence for replenishment = food, drink and energy to manufacture....

That's it! Ban all sports!

Might want to never want to think about all those baseball teams and their private jets and their 124 game schedules, then disclude basketball too cause that's a joke + ice hockey. Holy fuck man that's just USA.

NASCAR has gone to really green fuel, even when I went in 2015 you could barely smell them. Disappointing really. And then all the fly overs with jets and stealth bombers... Woah man. There's probably something in this.

I wonder what all those UFOs whizzing around lately run on, cause if it's some plutonium nuclear stuff, I think we gonna have to have some words.

And what was God thinking descending to earth in fire and brimstone and the smoke and flames? And those bloody Chinese! And their gods visiting on fire breathing dragon's! Christ almighty! We were doomed from day one.

 

There's nothing we can do about climate change. It's too late for us. We're just slovenly. We won't do what it takes, because we don't truly believe anything bad is going to happen. When it does happen, the tears are gonna flow like mother's milk.

 

Contingency plan: Mars.