Another Ego-Death question

Im talking alll feeling not just like strictly emotions. I think you guys are confused

 

I was mainly responding to this Pr0ne.

 

I think I uderstand fully what you mean, and you are right, it is much easier to remember visuals, but it is much more difficult to extract the meaning from it. And don't get me wrong, the tehnique I described is not just I am going to do it that way. It also needs a lot of practising, discovering basic (carrier) feelings and understanding what they mean before you can ride on them, if that also makes any sence. I think you are trying to do that tehnique streight on DMT, witch is very difficult. I suggest you try practising dosen times on strong LSD trip, before you actualy can apply it with DMT.
Try next time to dose 500 ugs of LSD and 30 min after consuming it, start meditating on finding love deep inside you, and then try to channel it. Start sending it first to your cat (I belive you have cat), the moment you start sending it to her, you will feel slight presure in your stomak (like hunger but a bit different). You will se the reaction from cat, then start sending it to anything else in your surrounding, then over your town, county, country, continet, planet, universe.....
Try holding on that feeling of love (and belive me, it will be very strong, if not strongets thing I ever felt), ride it, and see where that lead you.

It is not easy, there will be visuals, thought pattern that will try to pull you in some other loop, but just ignore all that, ride that feeling of love.

After few times doing it, you will find much easier to feel and ride other feelings. When you manage to shut up the mind and ride with your sole confidently, then you can try the same tehnique with DMT. But if you go streight to DMT, you just get blown away with soo many feelings (like you desribed) and it is easier to grasp to something you are already familiar, in this case visuals.

It is hard work, but don't give up. All those yogies need years of meditation to get to the state that we can just tap in by consuming the substance, but we still need a lot of self discipline and hard work and meditation to be able to bring something back with us. I think every one of us would like every trip to be healing one, but in order to get there, we need to put something in. Nothing comes arround if noting goes arround. Thats another VERY important thing, to think what I am going to put in to it. Plenty people think what THEY WANT back, but very few actualy think about what you need to put in, and the circle has to be closed.

 

Shapeshifter you are dropping some serious knowledge in this thread. I thought i was the only one who felt that feeling/thinking "divide". my friend is stuck on "thinking" when we trip, i've been unable to change this, i think spicey may be on to something when she talks about left brain vs right brain. who knows

 

Thanks man, I am always happy to share evrything I know and feel.

I also had a friend who was stuck in "thinking" or visuals. We tripped for years and she just couldn't get passed through to feelings, untill one night we decided to try to completely kill the mind. I suggested and she agreed on me helping her to get her so confused that she just can't follow up the thought pattern, that she can't concentrate on visuals and point the feelings to her.
So we dosed heavily 1000 ugs each and started meditating using music. As soon as the trip got intense she was trying to follow up the thoughts and I would play mind games with her so she goes in circles and end up again on the begining of the circle. Finaly at the peak of the trip she was so confused that she couldn't put the sentence together, she didn't even try to speak any more, and then I pointed to her few feelings, asking her if she feels it. It is way easier if you have somebody to pinpoint things for you, as you don't know what to look for, so she slowly started feeling things, she started following the feeling, riding it. Then full on telephaty kicked in, it was magical.

Maybe Spicey is on to something with left/right brain, but I also think that it is not imposible to get to other side if you work on it. I do follow feelings, but also I can easily switch back to visuals or a mind fuck loopes in thought pattern. I just think that it is way easier if you have somebody you fully trust and can share everything with to trip with, because everybody is different and get different things, but if you can share that and point to each other what you are going through, you just expand the whole expirience on to completely another level. I can say I was blessed to have 2 friends and my wife to trip with, we were all 4 like a family, we even lived together for some time, and during those epic trips, whatever somebody discovered, it was automaticly spread among all of us.
It was good times!!

 

I'm not sure that really addressess ego death though, Maybe you weren't trying to but its very easy to acheive what you are describing on MDMA, besides the telepathy part maybe.

 

Writer, are you saying that it's possible that feeling/thinking are left brain/right brain?

 

No, that last reply does not address ego death, but it was more related to start riding the feelings, and yes you are right, that can be achieved on MDMA. Although with MDMA feelings are not that strong but there is no strong mind fuck eighter, so you can feel easier.

 

They are not that strong but you can feel easier? That does not make sense, please elaborate.

 

Under heavy dose of LSD feelings are much stronger, but you got also a strong mind fuck, and you have significant visuals which can distract you from feelings. It is so much easier to get carried away with something else on LSD. On MDMA, the feelings are not that strong like on LSD, but you don't have much other things that can distract you from feelings.
Hope this is a bit more clear.

 

Ok got it, feelings on MDMA are much more intense than on LSD for me, I think it may be individual response. I've maxed out probably about 600 ugs of LSD but I've maxed out at 300 mgs of MDMA. I certainly can't say for sure 1000 ugs would not have a higher magnitude of feeling than what I've experienced on MDMA thus far but I also haven't taken 500-600 mgs of MDMA.

 

When I trip DMT for the first time, i would like it to be more about feelings and emotions than visuals. I definitely want to experience visuals, but more than that I want to communicate some kind of feeling to the entities that I may visualize. I want to go about it with the same way I've experienced shrooms; that complete ego death. So that the energy and emotion I am offering them does not belong solely to me but is an energy I bring from energies in my life to offer them. is that far too ambitious for a first time DMT trip?

 

The visuals are based off feelings, emotions, and the environment.
I'd say you'd have to do 75-100 mg. for full ego death. Depends on quality.

 

In my experience with DMT there is nothing you have to offer to entities, in fact they try to offer 'gifts' and impart wisdom on you. To get to the entity level on the first trip is probably somewhat of a challenge I find DMT to hit so much harder than LSD and mushrooms and is so short of a trip its extremely difficult to go in with a 'plan' and follow through. Be open and receptive is about the best advice I can give, DMT smoke is often harsh and add the fact some people simply can't inhale as much smoke as others makes DMT difficult to really gauge what your experience will be like. I find DMT exponetionally more intense/involved/etc than mushrooms.

 

I feel that when I trip and find meaning it's when I sit there thinking about something in my life that needs changing or something about me that needs to be changed and when I finally come to a conclusion it just snaps in and I forget what I was thinking about but after this I feel somewhat different, you know?

I guess it just sticks with you regardless

 

LOL! Great post and maybe would have worked for me like 22 years ago. Ever since the peyote circle 23 years ago, I do NOT participate in any kind of guided trips, even self guided. Just does not work for me at all. If the love comes and flows, I will surrender and ride the wave . . . .

I took acid about 200 times before trying DMT. The days of taking 500 mcg doses are firmly in my past. Young people today take 175 to 225 mcgs and call it 500. 150 for me is a very real, very strong, very visual, very different thinking kind of trip. 250 REAL, solid micrograms cause disconnection from my body and full on CEV's (not just patterns or lights). If I took 500 mcgs, I would not be able to control or channel any sort of meditation. There's a good chance I wouldn't be able to sit up for more than a short period.

It is also worth noting and repeating over and over, that for me personally (I cannot speak for others) some of the most profoundly healing trips/experiences have come when I wasn't specifically seeking that. I am not advocating laziness here. Rather, a sense of openness and submissiveness - embracing a need NOT to control. One should work towards greater education ("enlightenment"), self-knowledge and depth psychological work during the times in one's life when one is able IMHO, but one cannot force a revelation or transition, no matter how much one tries, meditates, sweeps the ashram, takes DMT, etc. Again, I must carefully state that I am basically just talking about my own self here. Different tactics appear to work for you - your descriptions make your trips sound very planned and self-guided and you sound like you get a lot out of it.


This next paragraph is a bit harsh - it is an expression (again) of the left-brain mind divide that I believe is flavoring this discussion for me personally:

Just as everyone does, I do the best with what I have. Some things are strengths to be embraced. Some are weaknesses to be explored, examined and perhaps mended. I will never be the type of tripper that you are - for me, personally, that would be inauthentic, "fake" and a lie. I do not believe in or seek enlightenment - all those gurus are charlatans and are as entrapped by the reality of physical embodiment and all that entails as the rest of us poor, unenlightened souls. It is not something I would desire. When people seek advice or "guidance" from me, I tell them what I have experienced, what I believe and why and what I have read about, but other than that I openly admit, "I got nothin'." This is neither good nor bad. It just is.

 

if we can say there is such a distinction as left brain/right brain, and that there is such a distinction as thinking/feeling, then yes, i am saying it is possible they are correlated

 

touche' :2thumbsup:

 

Guiding a person on a 1000ug trip while yourself being on a 1000ug trip...?

How this could in any way work blows my mind :S

 

Look at it this way, it can be awesome or horribley awesome. Either way, it's always awesome. Good luck :2thumbsup: