Wow, the onmi trolls have gotten out of control. I just want to comment on the major issues of the thread. DrAtomic, you obviously rule, that dude was insanely ignorant. I think the veggie argument could have been strngthened in this case by saying that the animals raised for slaughter are mostly fed vegan food (corn, soy, grain ect.) So to sustain the life of the meat producing animal, it must kill the unfortuinate anmials that get run over by the combine. A veg*an kills about as many animals as the grain fed cow that omni's munch on habitually. Perhaps tool making for the purpose of hunting helped increase human intelegence, but that is not a reason to eat meat in modern society. Being smart in and of itself is an evolutionary advantage now a days. I think the fact that this thread was started about omni's bashings veg*ans for no reason, then the omnis got all defensive and helped prove the original point. Good posts everyone! Veg*ans and omnis included (but please do leave omni's) oh and about eating the salad with meat juice in it or whatever - whoever posted that said that it was just a funny thing to do because she was not making the choice, and should therefore have no ethical qualms about it. but did it ever occur to you that veg*ans find meat totally disgusting - choice or no choice? Its like spitting in someone's food and thinking its funny because they didn't choose to eat it. That is not funny, it is just gross and mean.