And Yet another U turn !

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  1. Captain Scarlet

    Captain Scarlet Lifetime Supporter

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    Some of our local Northern towns were expected to be released from lockdown restrictions . But the Government have done another U turn having originally agreed to lift them despite a small spike in cases.

    This Government have done more U turns than you can find in a can of Alphabetical Spaghetti.
     
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  2. Captain Scarlet

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    The event we were going to has now just been cancelled as a result of the above . This has just come through on an E mail.

    This government are like a grenade eating a trifle . A bloody mess .

    Really pigged off and annoyed !
     
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  3. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill Lifetime Supporter

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    One would almost think there was North / South divide.
    As one who lives in the North (South Manchester) the mood is not so much of frustration, but moreover of no confidence in a Goverment whose stance of "do as I say, not as I do"
    Coupled with the stance of those 'beyond the wall' the only consistency seems to inconsistency.
     
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  4. Captain Scarlet

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    Your not far away from me mate. Mr Burnham will certainly not be getting my vote for re-election as mayor either. He has obviously stuck his nib in were it is not wanted . It seems your allowed a pulse but not a life .
     
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  5. WOLF ANGEL

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    Unlike his predecessor, Burnham has distanced himself from providing assurances of support for Public services - certainly with my area of buisness, what's the phrase? 'Conspicuous by their absence'.
    Covid has at least exposed those who boss and those who lead.
    Still at least I now know we he stands, and where I will choose to sign
     
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  6. Captain Scarlet

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    Another thing that really pigs me off about the local lockdowns is that they can always find resources to babysit the pubs with police. Yet , a pub landlord advised me that after a glassing incident around 3 weeks ago , the police could not attend as they had no resources , so just an ambulance turned up to treat the victim . They( GMP ) also ask that any amplified music be either stopped or turned down. Not sure what amplified music has to do with Covid. I can't believe that we are paying the police with our council tax to do this instead of reacting and solving crime like they are supposed to .

    I am hoping one day there will be enough of us who have had the virus to start questioning the way things are done . I know of a few already like me who have had the virus getting frustrated on how things are currently dome. And for the record we do wear face coverings in shops and keep social distancing , in the main in respect of others .

    Rant over for now !
     
  7. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill Lifetime Supporter

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    Hi Mysteron, FYI,/ From what I know:-
    1. Probably True, Divisonal resources have been stripped to a minimum
    2. It's an Environmental issue (comes under local authority remit -Civil matter) so enforcement only if classed as Public Order
    3. The percentage of Councill Tax that goes to the Police is miniimulistic -couped with the Budget cuts - is Insufficent, - to the extreme
    4. We should all be asking questions over this
    Continuing to follow the guidelines can be frustrating, especially when others blatantly flaunt what is obvious ('Lock-ins' during 'Lock-downs aren't really helping)
     
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  8. Captain Scarlet

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    [​IMG]

    Been speaking to many of the Doormen on the remaining pubs that were opened at weekend and they have confirmed that there is a rumour going around that the spike in Bolton, which from the attached graph is very steep, was caused by a selfish individual not self isolating having comeback from a holiday in Spain . Apart from the ban on all music and entertainment in the town , 6 bars had to close and be disinfected with some staff having contracted the virus .

    I just don't understand for one year only until things improve why people still have to go on their holiday overseas . This is what can happen .
     
  9. Vladimir Illich

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    And still it goes on !!! Boris told us all last year in superlative terms what a good deal he had been able to negotiate with the EU. Now he says that that deal is 'contradictory'. So which Boris is lying, the one who negotiated the deal or the one who now says that deal isn't good enough ???



    Boris Johnson To Tell EU That His 'Very Good', 'Great', 'Wonderful' Deal Didn't Make Sense

    PM is expected to call his own withdrawal agreement "contradictory" as the UK eyes more power over trade and state aid in Northern Ireland.

    Boris Johnson will reportedly tell EU leaders on Tuesday that the Brexit deal made last year is “contradictory” and doesn’t make sense.

    The PM is likely to stop short of directly criticising the person who made that deal with the EU because that person was.... Boris Johnson himself.


    And it doesn’t take much effort to find evidence of Boris Johnson himself heaping praise on the EU withdrawal agreement, which at the time he described as “very good”, “wonderful”, “fantastic” and a whole host of other superlatives.

    There are so many, someone put them all together in a little video for your viewing pleasure.

    Just a 2:07 super cut of Boris Johnson saying how absolutely fantastic the withdrawal agreement is. pic.twitter.com/fllZTz9UwO

    — James Ball (@jamesrbuk) September 8, 2020
    It comes as the UK eyes more power over trade and state aid in Northern Ireland.

    The government has claimed these new powers, set out in its Internal Market Bill, are merely providing “minor clarifications” to the withdrawal agreement – that’s the one Johnson described as “fantastic” – but the EU may not see it that way, and Britain has been accused of jeopardising the WA altogether.

    Johnson is expected to set out his stall when Michel Barnier arrives in the UK for the latest round of trade talks.

    He claims the legal difficulties the UK is now trying to resolve over Northern Ireland could not have been foreseen last year when the deal was negotiated.

    His flip-flopping has not gone unnoticed.

    "Wait, wait... and then he said... 'the Brexit deal never made sense'..." pic.twitter.com/UUAcc9e31X

    — Matthias Eberl (@eberlmat) September 7, 2020
    Boris Johnson resigned in protest against May’s deal he signed up to, negotiated basically the same deal as May and won an election based on the deal (which he now says never made sense) being absolutely fan-fucking-fantastic, but remember we all knew what we were voting for.

    — James Felton (@JimMFelton) September 7, 2020
    I was looking back on that extraordinary late night press conf in Brussels back in Oct 17 2019 after PM has signed Brexit deal with EU.

    At time PM said it was “a great deal for our country”

    DUP said it couldn’t support. Said PM “was far too eager to get for deal at any cost” pic.twitter.com/NH80qCnDP1
     
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  10. Captain Scarlet

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    I've seen less U bends in an average WC system . :)
     
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  11. Captain Scarlet

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    Oh Dear all the hospitality venues are being forced to shut at 10 pm . It looks like I will be having a night out in an adjacent town . I am not letting those sods beat me ! Making testing more accessible will find you more cases . It needs another way of calculating results rather than just numbers .

    [​IMG]

    Above is a queue for testing at Bolton
     
  12. Vladimir Illich

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    Now it turns out the blond khazi mop-head's wizard new EU legislation is illegal under international law !!!



    Lewis tells MPs UK’s proposals over EU agreement could 'break international law'


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    Sep 8th 2020 9:22AM
    A Cabinet minister said he expects the UK would "break international law" with its proposals to change how a key agreement with the EU operates.

    Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis told MPs it would be in a "very specific and limited way", adding there are "clear precedents" for the UK and other countries which need to consider their international obligations as circumstances change.

    His Labour counterpart Louise Haigh described the admission as "absolutely astonishing" and warned it would "seriously undermine" the UK's authority on the international stage.

    I would say that yes this breaks international law in a very specific and limited way'

    Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis



    The Government will introduce the Internal Market Bill on Wednesday, which aims to ensure goods from Northern Ireland continue to have unfettered access to the UK market while making clear EU state aid rules – which will continue to apply in Northern Ireland – will not apply in the rest of the UK.

    Concerns have been raised that key parts of the Withdrawal Agreement, which sealed the UK's departure from the EU in January, will be overridden by the legislation.

    Mr Lewis told MPs the Government is "fully committed" to implementing the Withdrawal Agreement and the Northern Ireland protocol.

    I'm not sure you can be a little bit illegal. It's a bit like being a little bit pregnant.

    Alliance Party leader Naomi Long
    But he added the UK is taking "limited and reasonable steps to create a safety net" to allow it to deliver on its commitments to the people of Northern Ireland and keep in line with the protocol should outstanding issues not be resolved in talks with the EU.

    Mr Lewis told MPs: "The UK internal market legislation that we will bring forward this week delivers on our commitment to legislate for unfettered access, something Northern Ireland businesses have consistently asked us to do and to ensure that we deliver certainty.

    "This will give the certainty that the people and businesses, the economy of Northern Ireland, has been asking for and it supports the delivery of the protocol in all circumstances in line with the approach we set out in our command paper in May.

    "The safety net we will implement, and we will outline this week, will deliver on the commitments made also in (our) general election manifesto.

    "Specifically we will implement the provision in the protocol that Northern Ireland is fully part of the UK customs territory by ensuring that goods moving within the UK will never even inadvertently have to pay EU tariffs.

    "We will ensure that businesses based in Northern Ireland have true unfettered access to the rest of the United Kingdom without paperwork and we will ensure that there is no confusion about the fact that while Northern Ireland will remain subject to the EU state aid regime for the duration of the protocol, Great Britain will not be subject to EU rules in this area."

    Conservative Sir Bob Neill, chairman of the Justice Select Committee, later asked: "The Secretary of State has said that he is committed and the Government are committed to the rule of law. Does he recognise that adherence to the rule of law is not negotiable?

    "Against that background, will he assure us that nothing that is proposed in this legislation does or potentially might breach international legal obligations or international legal arrangements that we have entered into?"

    Mr Lewis replied: "I would say to (Sir Bob) that yes this breaks international law in a very specific and limited way.

    "We are taking the power to dis-apply the EU concept of direct effect required by Article 4 in a certain, very tightly-defined circumstances."

    He added that "there are clear precedents for the UK and indeed other countries needing to consider their international obligations as circumstances change".

    Alliance Party leader Naomi Long tweeted: "The Secretary of State for NI has just conceded in Parliament that Govt are about to break international law. His defence seems to be that 'it's only in a very limited way'.

    "I'm not sure you can be a little bit illegal. It's a bit like being a little bit pregnant."

    Tory former party leader Iain Duncan Smith said the Government was "quite within its rights" to revisit the Withdrawal Agreement.

    Conservative former minister Sir John Redwood said the EU must abide by its commitment to respect the restoration of UK sovereignty and work for a free trade tariff-free agreement, telling the Commons: "If the EU kept its word on these two colossally important points, the problems they've created in Northern Ireland would disappear."
     
  13. Vladimir Illich

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    Theresa May plots revenge and plunges knife into Boris's Government !!!



    Theresa May questions Government over trust

    Reuters
    Sep 8th 2020 10:13AM
    Amid warnings from the EU that if it reneged on the divorce deal there would be no agreement governing the roughly £800bn annual trade, former PM Theresa May said the government risked serious damage to its international image.

    "The government is now changing the operation of that agreement," May, who resigned after her own Brexit deal was repeatedly rejected, told parliament.

    "Given that, how can the government reassure future international partners that the UK can be trusted to abide by the legal obligations of the agreements it signs?" May asked.

    The Financial Times said the government's "very unhappy" legal head Jonathan Jones walked out in protest over the possible plan to undercut the withdrawal agreement in relation to the protocol for British-ruled Northern Ireland.

    The prospect of a messy divorce between the EU's £12.2 trillion and United Kingdom's £2.3 trillion economies pushed sterling to two-week lows with traders betting there was more volatility to come.

    "We need to see more realism from the EU about our status as an independent country," said David Frost, Britain's top Brexit negotiator, adding that Britain was ramping up no-deal preparations.

    The latest round of negotiations in London are likely to be tough: Britain says the EU has failed to understand it is now independent - especially when it comes to fishing and state aid.

    The EU, weary of wrangling, says it needs specifics from London and that Britain cannot make its own rules and have preferential access to its markets.

    "A disorderly Brexit would not be good for Europe, it would be a real disaster for Britain and its citizens," German Finance Minister Olaf Scholz told Reuters.

    British officials say they can make do with an Australia-style arrangement. Australia is negotiating a free trade deal with the EU to improve its market access, but for now largely trades with the bloc on World Trade Organisation terms.
     
  14. ~Zen~

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    Now that's what they call a pistarkle in the Caribbean.

    Ollie would say, "that's another fine mess you've gotten us into..."

    But it's not funny, unfortunately.
     
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  15. Captain Scarlet

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    The council leader for Bolton is trying to get the towns lockdown restrictions amended so that they follow national guidelines . However because the test centres have reopened again in the town the number of cases has crept up . Hardly surprising really ! If you play the numbers game just based on numbers then this is what happens .

    [​IMG]

    So its unlikely things are going to change anytime soon
     
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