'An unmitigated disaster': America's year of Covid

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  1. Piobaire

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  2. wooleeheron

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    Modern civilization is an unmitigated disaster, just visit Fukushima if you want a more up close and personal view of hell on earth. If the Guardian were more interested in saving the world, instead their bank accounts, maybe they'd have more meaningful input than "shame on you".
     
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    Approximately 1.3% of the human population has been infected so far, over 2.2M dead (reported). Multiple dangerous variants already discovered as we've barely started rolling out vaccines. We had a very small window of opportunity to beat this thing in the first few months of 2020 and we failed miserably. Dishonest crooked governments and stupid delusional people fucked us all. We are never getting rid of this nasty virus now. We will be forever trying to catch up to new nasty variants. Millions more will die, trillions more dollars lost, the quality of all of our lives significantly impacted. Big thanks to all the morons and assholes out there who fought against all transmission counter measures like stupid retarded irresponsible babies.
     
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    What do you mean "like"?... They ARE stupid retarded irresponsible babies.
     
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    A truly awful spectacle and poor showing by the US government resulting in unnecessary deaths, but "unmitigated"? Nonsense. It's obvious even from the photos in the article that there's mitigation.

    Masks, face shields, carry-out-only restaurants, empty airports, closed office buildings, churches closed to their congregations, no-visitors policies at hospitals and nursing homes, orders for new ventilators, vaccines being administered starting before the end of said year - all forms of mitigation.

    The first couple of months, Americans were misled or otherwise didn't do much. Ever since, mitigation is more apparent than the lack of it. What makes news in the US isn't people wearing masks; it's people not wearing masks.

    A decent article, but a click-bait hyperbolic and misleading headline.
     
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    I think that the figure is higher than that, but we will never know.
    Testing for people who have had the virus and recovered without complications would have been useful, since thee people then have and share immunity. However, the test is complex, requiring blood samples and complex analysis, so it was totally impractical. Today (almost a year on) it is impossible to distinguish between people who produced their own immunity, shared it from the former, or have obtained it from vaccination.
    Realistically, it is impossible to get rid of any new virus since within weeks the number of spores outnumber to total number of rats and mosquitos on the planet.
    All that we can do is slow it down to a level that does not overwhelm the health services. Natural and artificial immunity dos the rest.
    This is the area that Trump totally failed in, resulting in unnecessary deaths.

    What is causing so much alarm is that of the 1,500 (UK) and 8,000 (US) deaths every day, 95% of people contract a virus within their final hours. Which virus it is makes no difference.
    Once these factors are included, ADDITIONAL deaths from covid raise the mortality rate by about 1.5% This reduces sick peoples lives by about 3 weeks.
    All deaths are tragic, but the doom and gloom merchants are posting a very different picture,
    You can see that if you ADD covid deaths to the mortality figures, thousands of people will appear to have died twice.
     
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    It doesn't matter. Covid was spread by even cats early on, and represents an entirely new line of diseases and disease vectors that are still being established and encouraging the virus to mutate. In a game of Rock-Paper-Scissors the strongest and most lethal won't survive, because it will be the first to be attacked, and Covid is searching for how it can adapt to the ecology without killing its own hosts, and how it can plug in and produce new symbiotic relationships. What we require are supercomputers that can crunch the numbers and give us a better idea of what is going on, but we don't even have the math. Right now, our only real option is to take preventative measures and delay its spread and mutation as long as possible, because it requires roughly 100 days to produce a new vaccine, and the only thing we can be certain of is that Covid is already mutating in every way possible.
     
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    Wanna hear my pet Trump Virus conspiracy theory?
    It can't be (wholly) ascribed to the "stupid and delusional." If Trump was deeply stupid, incurious, and disinterested (a compelling hypothesis which is not mutually exclusive to mine), he'd have gotten some things right simply by happy circumstance. He'd have half-assed a lot of stuff, and fucked up the rest. Instead, with unerring accuracy, every single action and word served only one overarching purpose; to maximize American casualties. That degree of consistency can't possibly be accounted for by incompetence, malfeasance, or idiocy; nobody's that goddamned stupid, not even Trump. It can only by explained by willful malevolent intent.
    4.8% of the global population accounts for 25% of the world's infections and deaths. That's no accident.
    460,000 American dead, with an additional equivalent of another 9/11 every day.
    Putin must be absolutely delighted.
    Russia has been cultivating Trump as an asset for 40 years, former KGB spy says
     
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    As always, it comes down to the people and what they're willing to believe. After reading Trump tell us "not to worry so much about Covid" and that it will disappear "like magic," ......and then to hear folks say that he did a great job handling the virus, you realize that people will swallow what they want to swallow and that it's not surprising that Trump said the things he said, but that people choose to believe it.

    Still, within a month or so, Trump fans will be blaming Biden not only for not immediately eradicating the virus, but for the entire pandemic.

    Just watch.
     
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    Why should anyone care about what the rich and famous spout? Americans have been complaining about their own democracy for half a century, when all you need do is rebrand it "Wall Street".
     
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    And yet even from 7,000 km away, it was easy to locate covid vaccination sites in Black and Hispanic neighborhoods in the American South. The title of the link you posted says "missing," but the article and the radio story from which it is derived say otherwise.

    It's a story about proportionality, not absence. Don't get taken in by click-bait titles that fall somewhere between outright false and merely misleading.

    There's a vaccination site in Stonecrest, Georgia, a town of 54,000 near Atlanta that is 93 percent African American and has no white neighborhoods. There's a vaccination site in the Littla Havana neighborhood of Miami, Florida, an area of the city for which estimates of the majority Hispanic/Latino population range from 85% on the low end to 98% on the hgh end. Not "missing." It took me 5 minutes to find them. There are more, and NPR found them also.

    So, the pandemic is not "unmitigated" in America, and vaccination sites are not "missing" from Black and Hispanic neighborhoods in the American South. Perhaps you're a fan of American baseball and would like to swing and miss a third time, thus striking out.
     
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    The 40% of the population that supports him laughs in the face of death, which is why their population has been imploding faster than any other for half a century. My work includes figuring out new, cheap, and easy ways to make money off encouraging them to kill themselves faster, including some that are tax free!
     
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    Initially I thought that Trump had managerial competence that will translate into administrative competence as well. However analysing his business career in detail you could see that he just merely expanded on his father's ops to a degree of success, and had many failures on the business front too.

    However he seems to have advertised himself successfully to the American public as some sort of business genius who will provide quick results, and the public bought it gullibly without doing their due diligence.

    His laughable views on exercise and that the body is "like a battery, with a finite amount of energy which is depleted by exercise" , would explain his visibly protruding pot belly and hints at the sheltered life he had, without much understanding of the outside reality around him. This may also explain his incompetence in understanding the health scenario in the U.S. , his own sustained eccentric views on the virus and masks initially, and failure in formulating and implementing a coherent policy for the virus issue .

    All this clearly shows that he lacks administrative competence for governing a country.
     
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    We seem to have the same problem this side of the 'pond' too, however we don't just have one incompetent to deal with, we have a whole cabinet of them !!! :mad::mad::mad:
     

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