An Anarchist's brief perspective on the New Orleans situation

"Why is it that so many anarchists are snide, contemptful assholes yet believe human nature is so beautiful that with no government everyone would be suddenly be giving each other group hugs on the collective farm?"

If you understood the first thing about human nature (you don't), you'd realize that the simple answer is because we are constantly putting up with people like YOU. That is enough to make anyone less than joyful.

"Infoshop IS propaganda, designed to discourage true thought and analysis."

You're right. It IS propaganda. However propaganda is a variable. It can be either accurate or inaccurate. But as for Infoshop being "designed to discourage true thought and analysis", well, that's just plain stupid. Not surprising coming from you though point break. I wish you'd reach your own breaking point and leave me alone. I'm trying to spread truthful propaganda here and all you do is waste my time arguing with me when all I'm trying to do is spread awareness. Please go make some friends. You are truly a stupid human being. If I saw you face to face, I'd probably cry at the ugliness that embodies everything about you.

 

Well I think one part of human nature is the tendency to blame other people for your own faults.

This is a forum, not an echo chamber. If your sensibilities are so easily offended that the merest disagreement causes you to break into tears, you're in the wrong place. Because if you can't handle this, imagine what it would be like to run an actual anarchist collective. I'm not afraid to have my pro-capitalist, pro-democracy views challenged, so why shouldn't you be able to handle it?

In any case, you are one of the top two most abusive people in the politics forum. Funny how you are also one of the biggest whiners.

I work for a globalising international corporation. When you're out there protesting capitalism, I'm out there promoting it. And I'm winning. Maybe that's what really bothers you? Doesn't it such that when people are free to choose, they choose my system and not yours?

 

how do we reach the point where our beliefs and attitudes match well enough that we can rub along together without some patriarchal asshole shaking a stick at us, telling us to behave, though?

 

Skip, that was beautifully stated, and I greatly appreciate it!

Again, sorry for the tirades...I need to control my emotional reflexes!

 

oh Skip, I was going to say a word about some of the goals of anarchism in that thread (the one you wanted us to get back on topic with) but you locked the thread, so I couldn't do as you instructed. I'll do it here.

I'm not exactly an expert on traditional anarchism, and how its particular forms came into being in centuries past, but I AM aware of what's been taking place over the last several years. Since the demonstrations of Seattle in late '99, there's been an enormous surge in not just protest activity that could easily rival that of the 60s, but a crazily rapid growth in true, to-the-bone radicalism that legitimately sought the physical end of global financial institutions, but not just that, but of capital and capitalism itself. An end to the corporate rule, which includes every facet of life. From the (genetically engineered) food we eat, to the oil, gas, and cars that burn our ozone and ecosphere, to the sweatshop-made items we use and wear, to the very co-optation of our minds, through the corporate media of disinformation and mass-psychological operations on the American people.

So what happened during and after Seattle took place...coalitions formed and built in enormous speeds, from animal rights groups to labor organizations to straight up radical anarchists, environmentalists, free-media activists, you name it. Anarchism as philosophy was given true prominence and legitimacy in the minds of the world (except for blind Americans who religiously rely on corporate media for all their "info"--democrat-conservative-I don't give a shit).

The true magick of the anarchist movement has been in influence on progressive activism as a whole. Truly democratic models of decision making have become a mainstay for the more radical groups...and increasingly the liberal ones too...although they generally take quite awhile to adapt to actual physical activist activity.

And this movement is a global one. The indymedia network which was born in Seattle during the WTO events has grown across the entire planet, on 6 continents. The mainstream media has yet to report on it, although the FBI and other agencies across the world have more than once harassed and confiscated computer equipment, placed gag orders on at least one, and other forms of intimidation. The U.S. media is silent on these issues.

Anarchism as a concept is, as we type these words, being transformed into physical action by growing numbers of groups across the globe, including here in the United States. The feds have been all over these groups, even labeling them "potential terrorists" or even "terrorists", but have not yet brought it to the attention of the masses. If anarchists and other revolutionaries are "terrorists", why not warn general public about our nefarious ways? The answer is because the modern anarchist movement is non-violent (to the innocent at very least) and that we pose no threat to anything other than the established (and worsening) order.

Anarchists have been given a bad rap, through stereotyping and stigmatizing, and the myths must come to an end. Anarchism as a philosophy is one based on mutual aid, cooperation, respect, hierarchy based ONLY in aptitude and experience (never on connections or power...as political power wouldn't be able to flourish), and the ingrained right to personal self-determination. In this environment, we feel, there wouldn't be a logical need for people to "loot", riot, or cause any forms of chaos. The only potential threat would be those with ideological difference who hopefully, would go their own way.

 

The only examples of that Point being reached are Non-Patriarchal.

The Indigenous People of the New World had many examples of this Non-hierarchical Point being reached.

Where Women were felt for the gravitational pull that naturally draws us all together.

Where Men and Boys, at home under the stars, orbit the homes of Women.

Indigenous People, with their life-long intimate relationship with Nature, would have weathered Hurricane Katrina like the aligators.

Anarchy is the only way to describe the lives of most of these Indigenous Peoples.

Their Anarchy would have weathered Hurricane Katrina far better than Our Patriarchy did.

 

in a storm the flexible trees bend and the ridgid ones collapse .

 

And who is "innocent"?

 

how many of those cultures didn't have violence?

 

God I am so sick of you.

The obvious answer to your pathetically childlike question is: those who cannot fend for themselves...children, the elderly, the mentally and phyiscally handicapped, and just straight up innocent bystanders. Those who are not involved in any conflicts.

Don't worry Point Break, you won't be included in any of these! (you'd want the attention)

 

Ever considered anger management (not the movie, although it was a pretty decent movie)?

The thing about revolutionary movements is that you never know who they are going to decide the kulaks are. So its always good to check.

And you know how those crazy anarchists are, with their "Poverty is violence, capitalism causes poverty, so if i use violence against capitalism/capitalists I'm acting in self defence of poor people in the third world even though I'm a middle class suburban teen rebel in Ohio" etc. Our beloved Communism, the hipforums guy not the ideology, has in the past said that people killed in the World Trade Center were not civilians because they were investment bankers and investment bankers reap mass profits from exploitation, etc etc etc... you can see where it goes. So I like to check.

 

They all had war and violence.

Violence that we Aien Invaders openly laughed at when we discovered that, to the Natives of Manhattan and Western Long Island a big war was when 7 or 8 people would die.

We sneered at their ritualized battles testing individual courage, and told them of our Hierarchical Civilized battles of organized aggression where battle-fields would be covered with tens of thousands of rotting corpses.

Columbus was astounded when he first landed and found a paradise where the Native loved each other and openly shared all they had with each other, causing Columbus to remark in a letter to the King, "With 50 armed men I could conquer them all."

However, the Anarchy of New World Natives is not possible for us who carry and spread the pathos of Old World Patriarchy.

The Patriarchal inspired hierarchies of Business, Politics and Religion is an expression of Male Sexual Inadequacy.

The Sexual Inadequacy of Men who in their effeminate fears have submissively surrendered their unique individual spirit paths for the security and authority of Hierarchical Civilization.

Only fearless Braves can walk in Anarchy, while twisted Civilized weaklings crawl under Hierarchy.

Those who are afraid of physical violence are doomed to live forever with the mass organized aggression of their fears.

 

"to suit some silly Utopian ideal is ridiculous"

Actually Maggie, the majority of people during the 1770s and the revolutionary war thought the founding father's ideas were crazy silly utopian ideas...and when it actually came time to put them into effect guess what, they worked...although we see those ideas vanishing before our eyes these days...

 

"I work for a globalising international corporation. When you're out there protesting capitalism, I'm out there promoting it. And I'm winning. Maybe that's what really bothers you? Doesn't it such that when people are free to choose, they choose my system and not yours?"

I don't mean to sound liek a dick...but this answers a lot of my questions about you...lol

 

i'm just wondering how me and my daughters are going to be okay until a perfect system of non-aggression is set up.

 

m6m, that was amazing. thanks.

 

We're NOT OK, and We're NOT going to be OK anytime soon.

Our fears began feeding the momentum of our psycho-sexual imbalance 10,000yrs ago, and it's NOT even slowing down.

However, we can lift the deceptive drappery of Hierarchical Business, Politics and Religion, and expose their hidden psycho-sexual motives.

We can nurse our sons and daughters tenderly and potty-train them sensitively, and perhaps they won't add to the grasping annal-retentive psycho-sexual momentum of needful owning, controlling and aquiring.

Otherwise, every child we raise in our hyper-competitive Primate Sexual Hierarchy will continue to absorb our grasping neurotic preoccupations and perpetuate the drappery of our collective delusions.