America's Ruling Elite Vs. Donald J. Trump

I remain flummoxed about liberals hatred of Bush 41 and Bush 43. They were one of them. They were neocon presidents, which means they were liberals. I know of nothing that they've accomplished to protect America workers' jobs or to create jobs. They shipped America's jobs to foreign countries. They were not conservative. Reagan never wanted nor trusted Bush 41, for damned good reason.

Conservatives have had to endure four years of Bush 41, eight years of Clinton, eight years of Bush 43, and eight years on Obama. That was hell of a long run for liberals. They oughta be ecstatic that their party was in power for that long.

Reagan was the last president to protect American workers' jobs. He saved Ford from very probable dissolution. He did in fact save Harley-Davidson from becoming an historical footnote. He saved Intel from becoming a subsidiary of a Japanese conglomerate. Reagan knew of the importance of preserving America's middle class.

Conservatives finally have another conservative president, and liberals are reacting like Robespierre's sans-culottes, Genrikh Yagoda's Chekas, Mussolini's Black Shirts, Hitler's Brown Shirts, Mao's cultural revolutionaries, Pol Pot's guerrillas, and sundry thugs who've, collectively, murdered hundreds of millions. As was true in all leftist revolutions, those who thought they were going to live large found themselves living far less. What they had wished for was realized to their detriment. What they got were gulags and death. BTW, atheism is a commonality of the world's totalitarian dictators.

Conservatism is very simple: return to our constitutional republic under rule of law, adherence to core tenets of our Founding Fathers, and Adam Smith capitalism where consumers, not government, determine who succeeds and who fails, where governmental regulations that are designed to protect America's bourgeoisie from competition are deleted giving entrepreneurs ability to compete. We are nationalists who will put America and Americans first, where free trade is beneficial if it does not harm our country and Americans' jobs. Like our Founding Fathers, we are noninterventionists who will stay out of other countries' internal affairs as long as they do not threaten us and possess ability to harm us. Our military will protect and defend the USA and only the USA. We want no entangling alliances, yet we will intervene if WE deem it necessary. We are categorically not isolationists. We want no part of the UN or any one-world-government construct. We are not globalists. We want America and Americans first. We know of harmful consequences of the Fed Reserve, and we want it gone. We do not want the 16th Amendment to remain a device to control Americans. We want tax reform that is fair. Taking property from one class to give to another class is governmental theft; hence, it is not fair. We want to resurrect the 10th Amendment, for it was states that gave the federal government right to exist. We do not want the supreme court to legislate, for it lacks constitutional authority to do so.Justices are not responsible to We, the People. Legislation is providence of congress that is responsible to We, the People. We do not want government ruling our lives 24/7/365. We're perfectly capable of figuring out solutions to problems we might confront.

Conservaties hate two-tier justice implemented by liberal and neocon elitists that assures America's ruling class is above law. We find politically motivated prosecutions to be inimical to our justice system.

The Donald Trump irony is he will resurrect America's middle class. He will protect Americans' jobs. There were many causes that made Trump appealing to American voters, but his commitment to re-industrialize America was arguably his most appealing. He will make us energy independent to the chagrin of those who make billions by forcing our reliance upon foreign oil. OPEC will become impotent. Trump will again make the American dream possible by creating jobs that will accord Americans ability to afford homes and middle class lifestyles. He will renegotiate NAFTA. TPP is dead. Americans will come first.

People who most hate Donald Trump ought to be the ones who most love him.

But then again, some Americans desire maximum governmental intervention in their lives because they find liberty foreboding. They'd rather live as de facto slaves than become responsible for their own successes.

Twenty-eight years of American worker sellout presidents who have danced the tune of bankers, industrialists, and PAC's have made Americans' lives miserable. Trump is fixin' to reverse that legacy. I envision America's poor and middle class to reap most benefits of President Trump's Administration. I believe he'll become a better president that was Reagan. Reagan was the last people's president.

There is substantial reason America's ruling elite that's comprised of both dominant political parties fear Donald J. Trump, especially Republican Party elitists and power brokers. Their free ride off of American taxpayers' backs and backs of future American generations is over. They're no longer calling shots that benefit them and harm the rest of us. That scares them. Hell, they might even have to find real jobs.

God Bless America

God Bless and Protect Donald J. Trump

 

I hope your expectations of him come true, but I have to ask again and again, where I am getting so tired of hearing myself talk...at what cost to the environment? AT WHAT COST?????
There is no mention of that from trump...but only to dismantle any environmental protections....which some are already echoing,. This is scary...

and also, did the founding fathers expect EVERYONE to follow the same religion?
Poo on that.....Poo on anything that limits individual freedoms that don't endanger or hurt anything or anyone else.

 

I mean if you want to go put up a rich golf course somewhere that is protecting wildlife and forcing people out of their homes.....the writing is on the wall!

 

Moonglow181,

Reference our Founding Fathers creating a Christian nation, there are volumes of primary source documents that are readily accessible, including The Federalist Papers. This book is an excellent read with reference to primary source documents and our Founding Fathers' Christian beliefs: https://www.amazon.com/Christianity-Constitution-Faith-Founding-Fathers/dp/0801052319

What our Founding Fathers did not want was a monarch, divine or otherwise; hence, our First Amendment. Our Founding Fathers created a nation in which We, the People were supposed to be sovereign, not government.

You can Google Scholar many treatises on Christianity's influence upon our Founding Fathers. Here is a brief sample of a few beliefs of a few of our Founding Fathers: http://www.aproundtable.org/tps30info/beliefs.html

Government has in fact regulated religious beliefs, outlawing some including LDS' polygamy. People can't do acid and call it religious.

Christianity was the basis for American morality. Existentialists and nihilists endeavor to remove that obstacle.

My rule of thumb is that where there's doubt, I'll always go with primary source documents.

Separation of church and states appears nowhere in any of our founding documents. Jefferson did refer to God as blessing the American Revolution. I believe it was James Madison who said that our country was created by the divine hand of God.

There is nothing in any of our Founding Documents that supports Hugo Black's opinion of separation of church and state. He made it up based upon a personal letter of Thomas Jefferson to Danbury Baptists. Jefferson meant it to protect religion from government, not the reverse as is pawned by revisionists who have sinister motives.

Thomas Jefferson was in France during the Constitutional Convention. He had no direct influence upon our constitution.

Reference our environment, I believe that global warming and green everything is a scheme to transfer taxpayers' monies to political cronies and foreign countries; e.g., Solyndra.

I do not believe for a second that any politician would intentionally endanger our environment. Thermonuclear war will destroy our environment; hence, the importance of nonintervention. Becoming energy independent will not endanger our environment. However, it will piss off bankers and industrialists who have bought off American politicians in order to force us to rely upon foreign oil that makes them very, very rich at our expense.

No government can long endure unless it can control its people. Law is the primary method our government uses to control us. I see global warming as another sinister trick that is used more to control us than to do anything beneficial for our environment.

In my high school science class, our science teacher taught us of the then paradigm of a another pending ice age. In fact, "Time" magazine published an edition about our coming ice age. What we do know is that for 4.5 billions years, Earth as experienced many climatical changes, some catastrophic. Our last ice age was ~10,000 year ago,

There might be costs of re-industrializing America; however, there will be extreme costs for not doing so. If you're good with substandard living, we can keep importing cheap, foreign-made stuff that has created our huge trade deficits to the detriment of American workers who used to make products that are now made in foreign countries.

Since 2000, we have lost over 40,000 factories and at least 10 million good-paying jobs to foreign countries. President Tump is fixin' to repair that damage. When I was a kid, Japanese products were thought to be junk. Those in my generation were taught to look for Made in USA or Europe labels for quality stuff. Now Japanese makes some of the world's best products. South Korea is a behemoth that continues to grow and gain market share. South Koreans make excellent stuff. South Koreans have a high standard of living while ours continues to deteriorate. Germany probably sits alone at the top of the world's economy.

Another rule of thumb that was taught to me by my mom: believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.

[SIZE=12pt]“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=12pt]“History is a set of lies agreed upon.”[/SIZE]
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“Everything the state says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.”
---Nietzsche---

Moonglow181, I wish you a wonderful Veterans Day weekend.

 

Moonglow181,

Eminent domain is an act of government. No private person can seize property belonging to another. Only government has that power.

US Fish and Wildlife and states' fish & game departments are responsible for scientific management of wildlife, except in California. In this state, people were duped in to believing that wildlife should be managed emotionally.

 

This is conclusive proof that Laguna hasn't read the Federalst Papers , or that, if he did, he didn't understand them. The best way to find out for yourself is to get a copy. You can read it from cover to cover and won't find Jesus, Christ, he Bible or Christian mentioned once. The only references to religion are the authors' call for separation of church and state. Same goes for the Constitution. What you will find in the Constitution is the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of relgion.[SIZE=11pt]" [/SIZE]Furthermore, you’ll find Art.VI, clause 3, prohibiting religious tests for federal government offices. So if the Founding Fathers intended the United States to be a Christian nation, why did they put that language in the document? Ben Franklin proposed that the delegates to the Constitutional Convention say an innocuous “To whom it may concern” (not Christian) prayer before each session—just calling for “the Assistance of Heaven”. T he other delegates never accepted it. They didn’t vote against it either. They simply walked out. Many of them were Deists, who thought of God as the Great Watchmaker in the Sky, who created the Universe and let it run. Fewer than one-fifth of people of the day attended church on a regular basis. Thomas Jefferson who wrote our Declaration of Independence edited the Bible to get rid of the superstition and left a lot of it on the cutting room floor. In 1797, the Treaty of Tripoli made it official; it states in plain English that “The Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion”.

The book that Laguna cites to support his erroneous views is the pseudo history by a far-right Christian fundamenalist lawyer John Eidsmoe, who used to teach at Oral Roberts University Law School here in Tulsa before it lost its accreditation, and is now Resident Scholar at the Foundation for Moral Law in Montgomery, Ala. He defended Alabama's right to secede during the Civil War, and said that Jefferson Davis had a better understanding of the Constitution than Abraham Lincoln. So that's the lunatic fringe we're dealing with .

 

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Reagan was the one that ended protectionism , he didn't save the middle class, he was the first to sacrifice it

 

This is not Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.

It is foolish to think Donald Trump is not an elitist and only has the best interest of the middle class at heart when he has never been remotely middle class.

 

Threats to kill Trump remain undeleted on social media platforms. Twitter still allows ISIS to recruit new members on their platform too.

 

So he says!

 

Trump and the Republicans need to take on China

That's what really needs to happen, otherwise it will be just more of the same.

But no one really notices what China is doing because it's not in your face all the time.

They'll own your arse soon if they dont already

More Billioniares in China now than the US

 

This is proof that Okiefreak has no clue of what he posts.

Many historians have opined that Lincoln misinterpreted our Constitution. He summarily and without justification suspended habeas corpus.

How long would you guess that the south would have managed to remain independent should it have seceded? Remember that the south was agrarian. Much of the world had refused to trade with it because of slavery.

In no manner whatsoever was the American Civil War fought to free slaves. Lincoln himself said he'd of allowed the south to keep slaves if it kept the union together.

My guess is that within 10 years the south would've begged to be allowed to rejoin the union. It's existence would have become miserable and unsustainable. The north was industrializing. The south relied upon cotton.

Lincoln sacrificed over a half-million American soldiers' lives and at least another million who died as a consequence of the Civil War to force his interpretation of the constitution down the throats of Americans. Had he allowed the south to secede, it would have rejoined the union within a decade.

Reference your reliance upon religious tests for governmental suitability, it was to prevent a monarch from seizing power. It is the work of the unknowing to assume a link with it to anything else.

Why don't you try to gain knowledge, if that's remotely possible, and Google Scholar, "United States Founding Fathers Christian nation," and see what you might turn up. Look for direct primary source document references.

BTW, I have a copy of The Federalist Papers in my library. Do you?

For proof that the United States was supposed to be a Christian nation, keep reading. This is text from the United States Supreme Court in the case of Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States

“There is no dissonance in these declarations. There is a universal language pervading them all, having one meaning. They affirm and reaffirm that this is a religious nation. These are not individual sayings, declarations of private persons. They are organic utterances. They speak the voice of the entire people. This is a religious people…this is a Christian nation."

If you're interested in knowledge, you can read the read the entire case here: https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/143/457/case.html

My guess is that you're hasbara shill hustling a false narrative for ulterior motives. C'mon, tell us the truth. For whom are you shilling?

 

Funny.. I can't tell if these gifs are meant as jokes or not. Guess I don't know my politics that well. I know I'm liberal though, but I have to say I do see why the immigration laws are important. Where I live in California you see lots of migrant workers too.

I don't oppose them, but I feel like alienated or something. It's weird. I'm not saying put them all on the other side of a wall, but I am curious to see them become better assimilated into our culture. I think the real problem is that people don't accept them. That's not to say that sovereignty isn't important though.

 

I think this thread works better with the pictures and a good moral compass.