America Spies On Us All

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Chodpa, Aug 24, 2013.

  1. Chodpa

    Chodpa -=Chop_Chop=-

    Out of curiousity, doesn't that bug anyone? There once would have been demonstrations.

    Red light cams, speed cams, cams along city streets. How bout them drones aye? They said they would just be used in foreign countries. But a few more years the latitude will open wide and then, they will be able to spy on us or kill us from anywhere.

    Internet, phones, probably other shit I've never imagined.

    Hahahaha, really?

    I am Dem. I voted for Obama. I thought Bush was pure evil. But now I hate them all. There hasn't been one president in my fifty years who was worth a shit.

    They are all traitors.
     
  2. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

    You pretty much summed it up. People have been acclimated over time to accept this intrusion into their privacy and the loss of their freedoms. Now most people just accept it as normal, or some sort of necessary evil that is actually for our own good. It's almost more sad than it is scary, because things will never go back to the way they were at this point. The Brave New World is here to stay. I was hoping to become a father someday, but now I am wondering if it's even right to bring children into a world that is becoming more anti-human everyday.
     
  3. Chodpa

    Chodpa -=Chop_Chop=-

    You know I couldn't have kids and my life is half over. I have no stake in the future. But for all you who do, I feel sorry for your kids. The wars our parents fought against Totalitarianism has been lost.
     
  4. There's almost NO - ZERO - ZILCH - NADA resistance.
    So I keep my head down because they're just going to whack one at a time anyone that protests.
    Therefore I wear a Niqab or Burka when I go out. Furthermore in my home there's not even a land line telephone now. My Internet access is through my work and it's text only.

    However if I start seeing more of this here in the UK... ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GCsd2TJKjQ"]CAMOVER 2013 - YouTube
    I'll be in line to help !!
     
  5. EL Tuna

    EL Tuna Member

    It bugs the shit out of me, But all I can do is be 'as prepared' as possible for whatever might come. You never know whats next or how far this nut ball will go.


    Bush pure evil? LMFAO and you voted nobama? Nobama is the pure evil, At least bush told the truth and didn't lie to you like the other, Talk about less killing, But pushed for MORE and drones. Who never is in the white house, Golfing or spending our money like hes a rockstar.

    That's a POS who is evil and wants to help nobody but himself. Im not going to say bush was this or that, But a far cry from this tyrant who lies to you're face, Turns around and 'blames' another for 'his' fuck up.
     
  6. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

    If you're doing nothing wrong you needn't fear anything.
    Naughty boys n girls -.-
     
  7. For crying out loud you have got to be joking! Because I refuse to believe that there are still people that think like this.

    You know sweetie if you're serious then I've got this to say to you.

    Going to the loo to tend to your natural body functions isn't illegal or even immoral. So how about the next time you go to the loo... Leave the door open!
    In fact how about we just all the walls down in the public loos and put it all out in the open for everyone to see.

    Because afterall if you're doing nothing wrong you need not fear anything.
     
  8. Meliai

    Meliai Banned

    it really scares the shit out of me, mainly because I don't think the government is excessively monitoring people just for the hell of it or to catch a few bad guys in the midst of millions. I think that one day all this information they are collecting can and will be used against the very same people that think they have nothing to fear because they're innocent.

    i fear for my son's future
     
  9. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

    Macrocosm of microcosm of your nosy neighbor peering over the fence or vice versa, suspicion is rampant.
     
  10. Chodpa

    Chodpa -=Chop_Chop=-

    Yes, well during the Cold War Russia used tenement managers (old Ladies) to spy on residents. After Snowden Obama exhorted government workers to keep an eye on each other.

    My point being, the last step follows the first step.
     
  11. What I don't understand and perhaps someone can explain it to me is this.


    • We have tube sites that specialize in everything from smut and pure filth to beheadings
    • Torrents sites continue despite Hollywood & software companies spending millions trying to destroy them
    • Pro Nazi, pro child sex abuse, etc forums
    • Wikileaks and dozens of copy cat sites
    And NO ONE has bothered to make something that watches the police or other forms of law enforcement... or surveillance against politicians and diplomats, etc



    • No one has secretly installed a CCTV camera across from a police station

    • No one has hooked up an Internet deep packet anaylzer across the street from a government building.

    • No one has used against cival servants one of those progams that allow you turn on someone elses cell phone in order to listen.

    • No one has gone to the hobby store and built their own drone air force to spy in the windows of an embassy or similar.
    I'm not saying anyone should do the above things. All I'm saying is that we live in a very corrupt facist world and 99% of the population is fine and dandy with that. If someone wanted to truly fight back the tools are there but no one wants to get off their bums and use them.
     
  12. odonII

    odonII O

    Chodpa


    Where I live I am not overly concerned about Red light/Speed cameras (etc) - they serve a function.
    I have not seen any cameras along the city streets - well, there are a few directed at trouble spots where there is a lot of street crime.
    But not many.
    So, I'm not concerned about them.
    There are a plethora of cameras in/outside shops etc.
    Every police station I have been into (granted not many) have had cameras all over the place, inside and out. That's a good thing.

    Drones? I have not seen any drones flying over head - so I'm not concerned about that.

    If you are not running a red light, entering lanes you should not be in or generally not abiding by the highway code. In addition to that, if you are not stealing from shops (etc) smashing up police stations (etc) - then why should you not think: 'If you're doing nothing wrong you needn't fear anything'.


    There are no CCTV cameras in toilets stalls. There is no CCTV camera in my home, and there hasn't been in the 20 - 30 plus years CCTV has been used - so why should I be paranoid about that?
    I'm not concerned about that.

    I am a little concerned about that.
     
  13. Bad stuff still happens despite there being CCTV and all this surveillance. In fact I read that not only haven't they lowered the overal crime statistics by even 01% but over all crime has risen in the last 30 years and the actual conviction rates have taken a plunge.

    See what I think all this surveillance is about is keeping polite British society polite. They don't want us doing what the Egyptians are doing and that's getting the idea that we could actually have a government that does what we want or figuring out that freedom isn't something to be scared of. To be blunt I think the entire surveillance is nothing more than a mind trip being played on the public in order to keep the status quo.

    Personally I stopped caring about the UK a few years ago. Having to choose between food and an education knocked any idea of patriotism right out of me head. I even had some pratt from the GSCC tell me to just leave a card in my local shop's window that I would be available for escorting and massage.

    So I'm not going to lift a single finger to help anyone but myself. I don't give a toss about the UK anymore so I'm leaving the UK before the end of the year. what happens after that will no longer be my problem or concern.
     
  14. Maelstrom

    Maelstrom Banned

    It basically all started with corporations, the insane rules put in the employee contracts to keep the people in line and to not question the authority of the master. People began accepting their lot in life because they had to make money to survive in a society that prevents anyone from being able to exist other than from paycheck to paycheck. It is easier to remain blind to the injustices than to suffer the consequences of making a stand.
     
  15. odonII

    odonII O

    Resistance isn't futile

    Ofcourse bad stuff still happens.

    Where did you read that CCTV hasn't lowered crime statistics?
    How was that research carried out?

    I do know that more people that have run a red lights or have been speeding (etc) have been caught.
    That was the e.g given.
    I said I wasn't worried about those cameras.

    It's not up to me how effective shop (etc) owners feel CCTV works for them.
    I'm not concerned about being watched in shops or down the police station.

    On a day to day basis, how effective or ineffective CCTV is with regards to crime isn't a major concern of mine.


    Drifting from the point aren't you?
     
  16. Chodpa

    Chodpa -=Chop_Chop=-

    the point of corporations starting this is partially true since the beginning of drug testing before employment opportunity

    los angeles has started police wearing cams - supposedly reports of police abuse have slowed

    cctv isn't the main issue here - i am more concerned about american federales looking into individuals

    the idea that any government is above abuse of power is something the us constitution was specifically formulated to prevent, problems are arising in black op government groups circumventing such details for 'national security'

    i like the ideas about we should police the police
    that's a real plus plus idea
     
  17. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment

  18. I first came across the CCTV not lowering crime in one of my feminist groups about 2 years ago when the constabulary was unsuccessfully arguing that CCTV didn't prevent rapes but did increase the conviction ratios. Since then I've more or less kept my eyes (so to speak) on this issue.

    The first study I ever read was by Dee 2000 & Davies 1997 (*CCTV systems have littler or no deterrent effect on criminal activity.* )

    But so as to get you started on your education of the issue :

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/may/06/ukcrime1

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/henryporter/2009/may/19/cctv-reduce-crime

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/cctv-does-not-stop-crime-7264555.html

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2192911.stm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/8219022.stm

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-125426/Does-CCTV-really-cut-crime.html

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/02/25/schneier.security.cameras/


    Furthermore you should be concerned that millions of pounds are being wasted on something that does NOTHING to prevent crime or bring criminals to justice.
     
  19. StpLSD25

    StpLSD25 Senior Member

    I don't think people accept it, I think we've been seperated through most of the country, that changed for a little bit in the 60's, the government started a cultural war to abolish the hippies and segregate everyone once more. But now, we have the internet; I believe the truth will come to light very soon, and much less people will support this invasive and overbearing government system.
     
  20. odonII

    odonII O

    My education doesn't need to be started. I was only asking you what you have read. I've read most of those articles before.

    I have a few, too:

    http://www.le.ac.uk/oerresources/criminology/msc/unit8/page_10.htm

    http://www.police-foundation.org.uk/uploads/catalogerfiles/cctv/cctv_briefing.pdf

    (lots of references)

    Maybe you have read them!

    Like I said: 'It's not up to me how effective shop (etc) owners feel CCTV works for them.
    I'm not concerned about being watched in shops or down the police station.'

    These studies seem to be in relation to CCTV in general rather than 'government CCTV'. If Marks and Spencer want to spend a million pounds on CCTV, let them.

    From my 'education' it seems a terribly mixed bag, depends on many variables and is clouded by special interest groups.

    Personally, I'm not concerned - what, less than a 1p is spent out of my taxes on CCTV? I can live with that.
    As they say, if one person is saved, it's all worth it.
     

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