Am I wrong or has everyone just overlooked this!?! Vyvanse related

Have you not judged me in this same exact thread? Yes, you sure have. Just stop typing, you have already been exposed in this thread, there is no reason for anything else. I will not be responding, because all it does it make you happy so you can try and think up of another reply. I said what I needed to, and showed everything to expose you, so that is all.

Have a good night, and good luck working on that high, you sure seem to need it!

 

99% of the time, when you find someone at fault for something they have done, it is something you have either done in the past, or is something that you see in yourself and wish to change.

I hope we both learned something worthwhile tonight, at least I did.

 

Thanks man, you have made me feel very good inside. I truly appreciate the sincere compassion and kind words. The time you spent to find my faults was time well spent.

 

Anytime. I will not hesitate to help a fellow junkie out.

Be safe when snorting those ADHD meds!

Don't be all butthurt because I called you out and exposed the fact that you are just like the rest of us. I am sorry you tried to front as if you were a responsible drug user trying to get the most out of your drug. Whether or not you were intentionally trying to get high...altering the chemical make-up of a prescribed drug would still be considered abuse. Take the drug as it is prescribed, and if you can't do that, don't try to act as if you are better then others because you don't "abuse" your meds.

I already discovered that you were inquiring about snorting your Focalin...which is intended to be extended release. So again, you were trying to alter how the drug effected you, and were blatantly trying to abuse another ADHD medication. It's pointless at this point to try and act as if this thread was purely for studying purposes, as it is really clear based on your past posts and your current demeanor that you aren't any different then a person trying to get the most out of the drugs they have.

Really at this point everyone has enough information to make their own conclusion about your intentions, so my work is done. I am sorry that you aren't happy at the result, and you are ashamed of your "past" (6 months ago) but that is just how the cookie crumbles.



EDIT: After reading your reply, I couldn't tell if you were sincere or being a smart-ass. In the first paragraph it was obvious you were being a smart-ass, and in the second paragraph it seemed as if though you were being sincere.....

Either way, I don't have hard feelings against you. I don't "hate" you because we had an argument on an online forum. I was merely trying to prove my points. Regardless, if you decide to go ahead with what you were trying to achieve in the original post, then please be safe, and let us know the result.

If you have anything negative to say, I am requesting you keep it to PM's...we have ruined this thread with negativity enough...and I will admit part of that was my fault.

Thanks, and good luck.

 

I apologize for arguing with you, it wasn't necessary. I was not trying to 'abuse' Vyvanse to get high, but I can certainly see why you would think I was going to. I really do have a 'mental illness', actually 'illnesses', that cause me to act like a completely different person depending on the minute/hour/day/year. I have been diagnosed with ADHD, Tourette's Syndrome, Bipolar I, and Anxiety disorders... I guess I am my own unique disorder, but who knows. I have a personality that enjoys experimenting with all sorts of substances, including opiates, stimulants, and other psychedelics. I even crave some of the most stimulating activities in the world. I skydive almost ever weekend. The only drug that has ever helped my Tourette's syndrome is Nicotine and it is harmful to the body so I cannot use it regularly. There is currently no medication to treat Tourette;s and it is difficult to live with untreated. I guess that is why I turn to medications for help sometimes. My ADHD/Tourette's was diagnosed three years ago, and my Bipolar/Anxiety less than two years ago, so I never had any medications to compensate for my illnesses until recently. It was only about 9 months ago that I finally found a medication combination with my doctor which was stable enough for me to live even a fairly normal life. It is also difficult to use stimulants for ADHD because they can sometimes cause tics from my Tourret's syndrome to become worse. My depression sometimes brings about a deep crash in my life which is a constant struggle. The medications that work for one of my disorders often conflict with another one, so it has been a difficult struggle finding the right combination of medications to help me remain stable.

Anyways, I am sorry for what I said. I wish I could take back some of my words but I can't so I will treat them as lessons learned and will try not to make the same mistake in the future. You are probably a very good person, especially if you have helped so many people in the last month. Best regards and peace

 

Information that you might not have heard, just wanted to post it in case you haven't seen/heard it.

Good luck.

It's also just weird that taking ADHD medication can make your tics worse, when the information I have observed is that it can actually help with tics.

 

So I followed through with the experiment.

My experiment included:
1. Acquiring a Protease enzyme from my local walgreens (called pharmacy and they said that the 'Lactaid' they had was a Protease enzyme)
2. 1/4 cup lukewarm water
3. Vyvanse capsule (mine is 70mg)
4. Crush Lactaid into powder and mix into water
5. Pour contents of Vyvanse into water
6. I added some honey and a tiny bit of lemon to prevent a gag response in case the concoction was foul
7. Stir for a few minutes and consume the water


Results of experiment:

On an empty stomach, I felt the effects within approximately 20-25 minutes, and they came on stronger than if I had taken the capsule form of Vyvanse.

This may be a placebo, I will never know unless a professional study is conducted. I am just stating what I experienced.

Best of luck.

 

Thanks I've tried a few of those medications and the only one that worked for me decently was fluphenazine. It is a little bit stronger than haldol and I take 1mg morning and 2mg night. This helps keep my tics slightly lower than without the medication. Unfortunately, almost every one of the medications used to treat such symptoms can have disastrous side effects, such as tardive dyskinesia.

I also found that ADHD medication making tics worse was odd. I could understand however, that a stimulant such as adderall (speed) could cause my twitching to be worse. Most people do not understand that Tourrette's isn't just a physical/vocal tic disorder. It is also mental, meaning that my mind is 'twitchy'. My thoughts can be twitchy just like my tics and my ADHD compounds this. It's kind of a sucky situation, lol. But it could be much worse so I feel I am blessed.

By the way, I like your signature trance is a gift from god

 

Lactaid is the wrong protease enzyme just to let you know.
=)

And man you guys sure had a bitch out! rofl.

Also why would you ask for Addy XR when you want to control your medication more? You need IR to do that. Yes you could crush Addy XR, but since you actually have ADD you can explain this easily with your doctor.

If I were you, I'd ask for Dex spansules since they're the only generic Amph extended release they offer currently. And then dex tabs for the IR boost in the last afternoon.

Just me 2 cents.

Goodluck bro.

 

fucking hell.... that was a serious web-war hahaha.

glad you guys could make up and get over it.

i am REALLY not a chemist, lol, so i really have no answer or comments for the lactaid + Vyvanse thing. i hope you eventually figure out whatever it was that you were trying to figure out.

i just had to comment on that argument.

it was extraordinary.

 

Well, I'm glad it turned out alright. U4ia is obviously a very helpful person just from looking at his posts in the last month. I didn't mean to get into a heavy argument with him, I may have been in a bad mood.

Pandaman:

Thanks for the good wishes =) Though, I cannot take the IR forms of amphetamines because they can cause mania from Bipolar, at least that is what my psychiatrist says. He told me that the IR versions are not smooth like Vyvanse. He prescribed me 30mg Adderall XR so I will see how that works, as I have never tried it before. I am hoping it will be more effective at treating my ADHD than the Vyvanse, though the Vyvanse did help quite a bit. I want to see how my body reacts to Adderall XR vs Vyvanse so that I know which medication is best suited to treat my ADHD long-term.

Which Protease enzyme separates the molecules? Just curious.

Would I be able to put the beads (or should it be crushed beads) from the XR in water and measure out a small dose to take in the afternoon to get me through the rest of the day? I am just looking for the mental focus from the medication. I could take 20mg of the XR in the morning and the other 10mg at around 2 PM. Do you think that would work?

 

Well when you take Addy XR 30mg you're getting an IR @ 15mg then the rest releases later. All an XR formula is, is an IR initial then your stomach breaks down the coating on the beads to release the rest.
Different extended release formulas release at different times. For example I believe (I'm recalling this from memory) Addy XR releases 50% then 50%. Dex spansules are 40% then 60%. And Concerta is 30% 40% 30%.
I think those are right.

Crushing the beads just makes the forumla IR. I do that with my Dex spansules sometimes.

And the protease enzyme. I'll give you a hint. In the serine family. =)

 

yes

 

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What assholes (besides myself) are posting in this forum?

 

I realize this forum is very old, but the lack of factual information forced me to create an account and post a reply....

I am appalled that nobody pointed out the most obviously flawed claim in this entire forum.

Lactaid is not a protease enzyme. Let's break it down:

Lactaid is a dietary supplement containing lactase. Wonder how it got its name? Well, lactase breaks down lactose, a sugar found in dairy products. People with a lactase deficiency use Lactaid to AID them in breaking down LACTose. Get it? LACT-AID!

Proteases break down proteins. It makes sense that you would try to use a protease to cleave the lysine portion of the lisdexamphetamine molecule to yield lysine + dextroamphetamine, but how on earth anyone thinks that Lactaid would break down Vyvanse is beyond me. Lactase has a very specific function; it cleaves the bond between galactose and glucose, the two sugars that make up lactose. The chemical structures of amphetamine and lysine are very far from those of galactose and glucose.

You stated that you put Vyvanse and Lactaid in water, and that this brought the effects on faster. The only possible explanation for this is that the contents of a Vyvanse capsule require water for dissolution. By doing this in a glass of water rather than in your stomach you shortened the onset of action by cutting one step out of the process. In addition, chemical structures tend to degrade more quickly when in solution, relative to their powdered form. It is possible that being in solution for an extended period of time degraded some of those bonds. I do not know whether or not the dextroamphetamine molecule would remain undamaged, but just a thought.

Hope that helps clear things up for anyone who reads the forum. Do not waste your time putting Lactaid in your Vyvanse. Don't believe me? Tell your neighborhood pharmacist that you are lactose intolerant and ask them if it's okay to take Lactaid at the same time as you take your Vyvanse. Or better yet, tell them one of your friends tries mixing them to shorten its duration of action and increase its intensity, and you'll give them a good laugh.

 

This is the reason why I prefer Ritalin IR and Methylin (Methylphenidate instant releases, 20mg 3x a day) So i can take either 2-3 pills a day, though I'm switching to Concerta, since I want to try it out, starting at 54mg, but I'm going to move onto 72mg next week, 54 is just not enough, and I really don't like stims' just I need something to help me with my A.D.H.D., though I consider it A.D.D. since I'm the inattentive type, though I understand the reason for needing a IR form, since I can't take my Concerta after 10am or I'll be fucked. I won't be wide awake, or near it, but I do have trouble sleeping, luckily I have xanax and klonopin to help me to sleep, though it use to be 120mg of xanax a month, now it's 60mg of klonopin. So eh, but helps me sleep, just drop a couple into a nice p0ppy bread seed tea, and you'll be ok, with some powdered oxy: codone/morphone and you'll be fine haha. Though only if your doctor recommends it.. Anyways get your damn medication changed to Methylin, Though I'm considering Desoxyn, since everything I've heard about it has only been positive, and people say it's not easily abused like the street rec version. So, that is reassuring for me, and doctors who may prescribe, so if anyone has info on that contact me, thanks. Anyways OP just switch, will make life a whole lot easier, unless your doc thinks you're an addict and won't Px any real/other stims.

 

I know quite a bit about pharmacology, and when I was on Vyvanse, believe me, I thought about cleaving off the lysine. But the more I researched, the more I realized how low the yield would be without a real laboratory. Instead, I just stood up for myslef and asked to be switched to Adderall. Now I happily take 15 mg of Adderall t.i.d.

 

Well this has been very interesting, thank you. It gave me something to do while up all night on adderall and vyvanse. Some history: I have been a heavy user of all kinds of pharmaceuticals and all the other drugs. I'm 18, 155lbs. I have been completely clean from everything the past two months due to drug tests and being suspended. But i'm the kind of person who heavily researches every drug that I do and try to know as much about them as possible. I do not have ADD, nor have I ever been diagnosed with anything or prescribed anything. Around 7:30pm I snorted 15Mg of IR adderall, making sure all the annoying little beads were finely crushed. I enjoyed the mild buzz for a bit, my tolerance has gone way down because I spent the last two months totally clean, before I was up to about 200Mg at once. Anyway, I snorted another 15 Mg at about 8:30, and just chilled for the next few hours. Talking to people, browsing the web, etc. I started getting tired around 1am, so I popped a 40Mg vyvanse that I had, and its been keeping me going. It took about 30 minutes from the time I ingested it until I could feel it. Definitely nothing like adderall, but it will give you a kick and some speedy effect. I used to do vast amounts of vyvanse whenever I couldn't get adderall or ritalin. Ritalin, in my opinion, greatly surpasses adderall and vyvanse in terms of effects. Though a lot of my friends have had pretty rough comedowns from it. The effort you would put into trying to separate the protein attached to vyvanse would be a huge waste of time, and the outcome would most likely be disappointing. Sorry man.