Al Qeada

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  1. Pepik

    Pepik Banned

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    If we're waging all these wars for oil, how come we never get any oil?
     
  2. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    It isn't about oil, it's about control over an entire region.
     
  3. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Simply put Pepik, it's about controlling the price of oil, not giving access to it to the general public.
     
  4. Pepik

    Pepik Banned

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    But we don't control the region or the price of oil. Is this just one of those theories I'm supposed to believe and not ask questions about?
     
  5. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    Is there any other kind?
     
  6. gshdgns

    gshdgns Member

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    Already posted this in response to Pepik in another thread, but here it is again..


    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,,2020560,00.html#article_continue
    'There is this fine line, that the wording is seeking to draw, that allows companies to claim that the oil is still Iraqi oil, whereas the extraction rights belong to the oil companies,' says Kamil Mahdi, an Iraqi economist at Exeter University. He criticised the US and Britain, saying: 'The whole idea of the law is due to external pressure. The law is no protection against corruption, or against weakness of government. It's not a recipe for stability.'

    http://money.cnn.com/2003/03/25/new.../war_contracts/
    The Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR) unit of Halliburton (HAL: up $0.54 to $20.66, Research, Estimates), of which Cheney was CEO from 1995 to 2000, said late Monday that it was awarded a contract by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to put out oil fires and make emergency repairs to Iraq's oil infrastructure.

    President Bush Tuesday asked Congress for $489.3 million to cover the cost of repairing damage to Iraq's oil facilities, much or all of which could go to Halliburton or its subcontractors under the terms of its contract with the Army.


    http://edition.cnn.com/2003/BUSINES...top.haliburton/
    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Army Corps of Engineers says a contract awarded without competition to a subsidiary of Halliburton included not only putting out oil well fires in Iraq but also "operation of facilities and distribution of products."




    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halliburton
    KBR has contracts in Iraq worth up to $18 billion, including a single no-bid contract known as "Restore Iraqi Oil" (RIO) which has an estimated worth of $7 billion.

    You are right "we" as in we the people of the United States, did not get any oil. Gas pump prices will not go down. But US companies are sure making a lot of money in the Iraqi oil fields.
    Did you really think "war for oil" meant oil for you and me?
     
  7. Pepik

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    I cannot respond to a random collection of links with no argument behind them. If you have a point please say it.

    Keep in mind, the statement I responded to was
     
  8. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Pepik

    That's exactly what it is and the reason this war on terrorism has to be held open ended. We aren't fighting a true enemy. We are fighting the enemy that is most expedient at the moment to force the agenda.
     
  9. gshdgns

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    You are being evasive again. The point is you keep on saying that there is no "war for oil". You point out that "we" are not getting any oil.
    The links refer to US and other foreign cooperations who profit hugely from the war, specifically in the oil business. thus, "war for oil".

    Clear enough for you?
     
  10. gshdgns

    gshdgns Member

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    See above.
     
  11. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Controlling the flow of oil is more the issue and the reason for spending almost a trillion dollars on this war. And they aren't paying it (with their tax breaks and exemptions). The workers/consumers with their taxes are paying for it at the pump and annually.

    If the supply of oil can be controlled, then the price can be manipulated. Too difficult a concept to understand? After all the premise of capitalism is supply and demand. Manipulate the supply and you can charge whatever you like.

    Manufactured shortage is what I see happening to the glee of huge oil conglomerates. They don't fill their own cars, shit they don't even drive or maintain their own vehicles. And they certainly aren't sending their children to die in this war.
     
  12. Pepik

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    We don't control the flow of oil. Here's how it worked pre-war: iraq sold the oil and we bought it. Here's how it works after: iraq sells the oil and we buy it.
    No, a war for oil is not a war for contracts to put out burning oil wells. The vast majority of the contracting money is not in oil at all. You are trying your best to come of with a "well its not really about oil, but in a way its sort of about some things that are kinda oil related".

    Don't redefine the question to make your answer work. This is not a war for oil. We are not getting any oil out of it. We didn't get any in Kuwait and we aren't getting any in Iraq.

    Get a new slogan, you're just beating a dead horse here.
     
  13. gshdgns

    gshdgns Member

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    ^^^^^
    Your literalistic logic is amusing. "We are not getting any oil out of it" You are not debating the facts, you are arguing semantics.
     

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