Ain't it weird it's guys who get rejected

On a serious note, you just need to get laid. I think it is stunting your manhood.

Go here: www.backpage.com

Look up escorts. Get some pussy. They will even listen to you address your grievances about women.

Stop trying to pick up women right now, because it isn't working in your state of mind and is detrimental at best.

Additionally, find something you are passionate about or something you are good at. Get in a flow and the women will flock. You need to get out of your mind at this juncture.

I expect an escort report within 4 weeks.

 

ya my mind's nuts. it's overactive anyways. Maybe being bullied till I was 15 has something to do with this too. I really came up fuucked. *sigh*

 

It's good to think and analyze.

But also good to act on your natural human male impulses.

I'm sure you could find an escort that you could explain this to and she would help you through it.

I have different sets of issues relating to women, but I can relate to some of the things you write. And honestly I have thought plenty in the past that in general I have more respect for escorts than most 'regular' women.

I always say if what are you doing isn't working, try something different.

 

Thanks, D, for not joining the mob. You're the man.

It's no secret that I have a lot of the same grievances that kok and you have, and honestly *a lot* of men have but are afraid to say because it's un-PC. Or, they are just sycophant losers.

Prostitution is the basic human right of consenting individuals to enter mutually beneficial trade agreements, and I think it's what kok needs as well.

Nightclubs are a hotbed of misandry, starting with cover charges being favorable to women, etc.

My life has improved greatly once I moved to a place where prostitution is legal. The fact it's illegal in most of the U.S. points to criminalizing male sexuality and sexuality in general.

Meeting women who aspire to the kind of mutuality that I and kok aspire to is not a trivial matter indeed. Not when they are given all sorts of state incentives to use men for their money.

It does take a long time, and I wasn't be willing to go without sex for that long. I did play the nightclub angle for quite some time and with relative success. But the fact is, you're spending more money than you would on hookers for an inferior product.

Lastly, I agree that most women do not have the moral high ground on hookers at all.

Man, if he can last that long, that hooker will fall head over heels in love with him! Firsthand experience.

 

My program for kok:

1) Do not drink and definitely DO NOT go to nightclubs or bars;

2) Work out and make money;

3) Whores, whores, and more whores. Use the money that you would've spent on ridiculously overpriced drinks drowning your sorrows. Get a heckload of notches on your belt;

4) Do not *approach* women. That automatically puts you in the position of a supplicating loser. Be introduced to them through friends.

5) Do not *small talk*. You are not interested in her career plans. If it's sex you want, tell her!

 

That works for some guys, but I don't know if prostitution will work for the types of guys who actually do want to settle down, raise a family, or just feel serially monogamous or monogamous relationships are for them.

You've even said yourself, that when you've dated prostitutes in the past they 'change' and become the type of women you wanted to avoid in the first place.

Even guys who are monogamous, want a women who they can have a reasonably relaxed, give-n-take relationship with, rather than the "entitled princess whose **** doesn't stink" (you gotta know Cherea, to know why I'm saying this).


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Being bullied can definitely have an impact on self-esteem, which can affect how you are presenting yourself in general.

Is there a service you can subscribe too, kinda like in that movie "Hitch"? It starred Will Smith and Kevin James. Don't take it too literally, but the movie does make some points and the guys that go to Will Smith's character aren't necessarily assholes.

 

I retract this statement :sunny:

 

lol. do you even realize women are human, just like you? I'm not sure that you do.

But I do agree with your advice, especially about being upfront about what you want and not wasting time on small talk if you don't really care about it.
I also agree he should just get a hooker. That much frustration isn't good for anyone.

 

From post from earlier threads I have the suspicion he's not really in it for the sex alone. Going to a hooker might do nothing for him what a good wank couldnt do either but I think it wouldn't help him in this specific case at all. He should determine and accept where he is going wrong. Most likely projecting stuff on girls that are simply not interested in him or his approach. If he wants love and to be understood by (a member of) and appreciated by the other gender I doubt he should go and pay a prostitute.

 

This is great advice...and I just want to emphasis how important #4 is. I've hooked up with more girls thru a "friend of a friend" then I've ever had going to clubs and bars. Because when you meet girls thru friends her guard is lowered and you're already pre-approved by people she knows. Not saying you can't pickup at clubs and bars, its just that the rate of return is much much lower.

 

Ah you need to lower her guard through a friend? I think it lies all in the way someone approaches a woman. To automatically say a guy who does that is a loser or puts him in that position is of course ridicilous.

 

Why you hurting though?

 

There are plenty that offer services like 'girlfriend experience'

In my experience, most all prostitutes are intelligent, and very open minded. I'm not talking about crack whores here.

It may be an angle to consider at least.

Because he is never going to find that relationship where the woman and him share mutual love and respect, without somehow or someway sacking up and embracing his natural masculinity.

That is my advice, take it or leave it. And a quality escort is probably more safe in the arena of STDs than your standard bar flies that go get loose every weekend and go home with some 'alpha male' as he puts it. Escorts are generally impeccable hygienically.

 

You also live in Europe as I recall. You can't compare that the mating dynamics over here.

 

Yes, I can. It's roughly the same.

 

yeah I don't really see why it would be that different. Culture can definitely effect mating rituals, but people can vary just as widely in one country or geographic region. You can't really predict that a woman will respond this way because she's American or that way because she's European.

When I was single I used to always end up talking to European men when I went out (American men are kind of obnoxious, so maybe I'm just proving deviate's point here) and they varied just as widely in their technique as anyone else. My favorite was a ridiculously sexy Yugoslavian (which confuses me because I know Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore but that's what he told me). He straight up asked me if I wanted to have sex, I said no, he called me an American prude, and then we had a nice conversation with no expectations

All men should do this.

 

That's the 21st century for ya. I think it has something to do with the reversal of hender roles that's being pushed so hard by the media these days

I might add that it also seems like the OP is probably really meek and insecure/desperate, but then again, so am I.

 

I think all men would do this if they were, as you said "ridiculously sexy." I'd say looks really account for the difference between easy going openness and creepyness.

 

You obviously are not understanding the post, and what it's like meeting girls at the club, let me break it down.

Guys go out for one and one reason only. To meet girls and get laid.

Girls know this and from years and years of getting hit on my guys are conditioned to reject them. It becomes a reflexive action and women do this without even thinking about it.

So when guys go out they're in the mind set of "getting laid". When girls go out they in the mindset of having a good time, dancing with their friends, having some drinks, etc. But they also have the defenses up at "full alert" and are prepared to get hit on by dozens of even hundreds of guys, in one night. A girl at the club is going to be less receptive to some random guy approaching her because of this, and is more likely to reject him.

This makes meeting girls at the club more difficult for guys, not impossible, just more difficult. One way guys can overcome this disadvantage is by being introduced to girls thru other female friends.

What happens is when a girl meet you thru a mutual friend is that your all ready "approved" by the other girls in the group, this give you a higher social value then the rest of the guys at the club. She will also be more willing to get to know you because by meeting her thru a friend she will be more comfortable with you and those "defenses" will be lowered, because your not just another random buy trying to "hit it".

Think of it like this:

Going to the club is like playing American Football. You got the one hot chick in the group, we'll call her the Quarterback, then you got all her fat friends on the line trying to block you, and you're on the other team trying to break thru. It's an almost impossible situation but if you can get thru you will score big, but 9 times out of 10 you won't score at all.

 

^Note only that but because you meet through a mutual friend, there's this kinda of understanding that you don't want to intentionally screw each other over because it can leave negative ripple effects because of the shared mutual social network. (real life social network not the digital online kind)

This has been my experience too btw Mike.

Same concept and I agree.

And think about it? The most successful player types also know their targets, can predict who will bite and who won't, don't get rejection personally, probably have expansive social networks because being a player isn't their entire personality.

I think our society strikes a tone that all players are 100% bad people through and through. This isn't the real world, some guy my be horrible in how he deals sexually with women, but in other aspects of his life he might be really nice and caring.

I think about it parents do a HORRIBLE job telling their sons and daughters the ACCURATE descriptions of what bad things can happen to them in the world of romance. Perhaps out of a sense to shelter their child's innocence, but it's a disservice past a certain age.

The bad guys that are successful, who will probably have a negative impact on your life very rarely appear as bad guys. They will be warm, and friendly as the dickens.