Agnosticism Is the ONLY Real Deal

I'm gonna have to agree with that.

 

Good point. I think the arguments for God's existence based on the "first cause" and "design" arguments usually run into this problem. After making the arguments, there's a "bait and switch" that gets us suddenly to the God of Abraham without much explanation. When I think of God, I'm thinking of an intelligent force in the universe. I'd accept pantheism if it incorpotates such a guiding force, and Deism would also qualify. The God of Abraham would certainly qualify, but to get to him would require lots more evidence than "first cause" or "design".

 

so what if the witnesses were in on it? what if neither one of them really knew what happened, but they wanted to sound/feel smart? agnosticism is admitting to yourself that you don't really know what the hell is going on. an agnostic chooses not to blindly follow either witness' suggestion, and hopefully to collect his/her own evidence. what's wrong with that?

 

Well there's nothing super wrong about not deciding either way but it's sad to see that lies and fairy tales are even influencing their decision to remain neutral. It's like a tug of war between atheist and creationists and agnostics stuck in the middle. To remain in the middle they give just as much credit to DISCREDITED biblical lies as they do scientific facts and that is just ludicrous!!

I understand if you can't be 100% sure but you can definitely be 99% sure!

Are they still partly afraid that God will punish them for not acknowledging him? This is absurd religious propaganda.

 

Being agnostic is, in my opinion, for those
who have not Felt God's presence, or at
least have not felt it so overwhemlingly
that they no longer CAN have any doubt
in their minds.

Maybe it will come to you, maybe not.
(In this lifetime that is)

Because I feel that it will come to you, and
it has nothing to do with you being ready or
not.

If you were simply unsure, then that leads
me to believe that either you fear God (like
relaxx said, propoganda, because God is
definitley not to be feared lol) or you know
that their is a likely chance that all of the
cosmos being formed in a way that life appeared
is not random.

What other reason is their to not choose a side?

If you are atheist, you simply say there is no
way there is a God.
Simple.
But if you feel God, that is based on a Feeling that
you are so blessed to have received.
Im not talking about bullshit, fake believe in God
because thats how you were raised, I mean
actually finding God for yourself.

 

Though, dont get me wrong, Im not so delusional
as to not realize that my own feeling of God is
being expressed with words, and that in itself cancels
out its validity.
The presence of God only become real in the mind
once the Soul has been opened up.
Because otherwise, my feeling is in a way a substance, but
so is an atheists study into scientific facts.
They are both states of mind, and God is neither.

It really is pointless to argue

 

to relaxx-i always felt that agnosticism is the definition of not letting anyone else influence the way you think. perhaps my definition is different from next person's. anyways, i'm glad we found some common ground.

 

Hey man, I am agnostic and it does not mean I do not search myself. I think there is probablly a higher being and I am trying to figure out what that being is and what it really does/did. Though sometimes, like now, I feel the absence of that being just as strongly as you feel the presence.

 

Can't say that I'm a practitioner of agnosticism, tho I am a student. As I am of the many things...

It starts to make me think, would it just be better if we started dedicating some of this embedded religious energy into the ongoing focus of metricizing and recognizing classification, identification and gradation, as all things pertaining to life, are obviously just subject to sentimental matter anyway.

This is not a spam or troll post, I just wonder if any here have also thought such things...out of a grown interest from reading the posts.

 

Well, in all honesty, agnostic would be to calim to
not know. Agnostic, literally from Greek, translates
to : not-knowing.
gnostic translates to : knowing.
From the word gnosis.
According to gnostic teachers, gnosis involves an
intuitive process of knowing oneself.
To know oneself at the deepest level is one and
the same as knowing God.
Gnosis is not primarily rational knowledge, but can
be understood as 'insight'.
You can meditate and soul search all you want,
but we will only ever be able, mentally, to know
that God exists, but now 'why' or 'how'.
We can feel the presence through our
advancing the progress of our souls.
Any presence felt with the mind, is acknowledgment
but not actual God-realization.

 

That's right. I do not know what/who God is or what the higher being I think might exist is, but that doesn't mean I will be agnostic forever. It is more like a temporary agnosticism until I find God (if I ever do).

 

A couple of questions.

1. What is God?

2. What is knowledge? (aGNOSTicism)

When you begin to see that these questions are unanswerable, then you are actually getting somewhere.

 

That is completely answerable, knowledge, is an existing proportion of cognizance about factors which surround a body, which capacitates the ability to cognize, and recognize.

How this cognizance is construed, might be either a singular, or collective range of actual craniological constituents.

This is also answerable; GOD is the almighty of existence, felt in anyway where humans are eleveated, in a spiritually dominant sense, as that which is our individual internal drive, among the whole of reality, bristles with a noteable sensation/stimulation, that no other extended facility should ever be wielded in higher degree of focus, when experienced.

It is a "refresher" if you will. God is of proportions that not only mere words, cannot appoint towards, yet any facility of communication short of utter culminative voice.

GOD is also once again a great euphemism rendering; Good, Orderly, Direction.

These are my answers for what/who God is.
Also see cosmos.

Within/Without
Environment/Reality
Conscience/Oblivion
Supreme/Reserved
Creator/Master, yes master, I love that master...
Master is good, it makes me confidently angry.
God is Master...

 

stubb0rn, when you are using your thoughts
to understand God, trust me, you have not
even the slightest clue of what you are talking
about.
Om shanti ~

 

Thanks man, I think I'll be fine...
I take my tolerance pills every morning when I wake up. Puts a smile on my face.
...Somebody had a really cool bumper sticker that made me think about that.

 

Sometimes my own rudeness and ignorance
amazes even myself.

 

RELAYER.
Am I right that in your various posts you're pushing a right-brain, intuitive approach to knowledge--i.e.,get out of your head, logic and science will get you nowhere (or only so far)? Your posts remind me of that scene in Starwars I where Luke is guiding the ship though the canyons and ObiWan is telling him: "Luke, trust the Force." In your advice to Bud Toker, I remeber you told him to quit thinking so much about the past and future and just experience the present. I know that's an oriental Hindu-Buddhist point of view, and I basically agree with it--up to a point. I rely on my instincts a lot in making the big decisions in my life, & I think we have to use intuition in the form of "animal faith" to determine that logic is valid, that two and two really are four, and that we really are having this dialogue. But when push comes to shove, when logic conflicts with intuition, which should we go by?

 

Ok look and listen, as soon as logic comes into play, in a stream of concious thought...
Context will always need another layer to complete it's detailied existence for, the conception of it's meaning, and it's appropriate place in existence, as for the reflection and redupication for abstract analisis, to take it's palces...
It's keeping all of this discrete and seperate, while also capacitating for the whole of what happens since, and forthwith, from then, that is the only 'metric" challenge...
Philosophy is good for those, lookin got rapidize, and chunkify, in a sense, the meanings of various things, and the right side of the brain is completeyl unjudgemental, so it make that whole trip alot easier...
It's the crunching of analisis, and criticism that makes the migraines go rockidy tiddy wing wonk and all that happy spiel.
I personally am an adept for deciphering meaning, it's a natural traite.
That explains why I'm such a hound, I love getting in, claiming the meaning of it all, and distributing it amongst others, so that they can become more at rest/ease/peace, until they are competant enough to do it on their own, after a fe tricks have been taught to them...
haha, and my first college was the big house, ya know?

Now anyways, about that friggen bumper sticker, it had the islam cross for the C, the peace symbol for the O, both the female and male exstensions in the E, the jewish star as the X, soemweird friggen thing like a basic shaft with a copyrite as the I, the yin and yang for the S, and the christain cross as the T.

Now my first response to that was... Ok they need to realize that is crosss publicity between, religious ideals and nonsequitor ideals or somethin...
I mean the peace, male female, and copyrite thing, just unballanced it.
If yer gonnna go on a philosophy splurge, do it with appropriate sentimental taggin at least...
I think It
woulda been better if baloon head buddha was the I, the pentagal was the O,
and the diest symbol was the background or something.
It send me off on all kinds of tangetns that could clean the ideas up, but that's all boring deliberation... Humans are funny creatures, and borign as hell, in my conclusions.