After women have a child

I really don't have an opinion on this. Nobody should have to do anything. Individual choice should aways be the deciding factor.

I do think however that sometimes following the example of the praying mantis would be a good idea.

 

i can agree with this much. but the thing is, the work force didn't JUST double. it has exploded along with the human population.

much of this is the fault of technological advances.

advances in science, advances in agriculture, advances in safety measures, advances in food preservation, advances in comforts beyond description....we are living more than double our historic life expectancies in some cases. all the while we've gotten more and more comfortable, as much as we still complain.

but now people live longer and healthier on a FAR more regular basis. and we've always tried to keep expanding the species - no one thought it was responsible to breed just to maintain the population. kids died on a regular basis....you had to have backups. it sounds crude, but it was the truth of the times.

now our planet has billions and billions of people. and the jobs themselves have changed drastically as well. robots and computers and other technological advances have made jobs and products far safer than ever before, and in the process have eleminated many jobs at the same time as opening up new ones.

theres no telling how much the market has REALLY changed, appart from just the numbers and types of specific jobs.

and my main point is what i've already said...the workforce didnt just double! yeah, a lot of women went to work. we also abolished slavery. at least in the letter of the law.

but you can't just say the workforce doubled...thats a very gross understatement. between the malthusian bloom and the changing social status of more groups than just women, the workforce has grown far, far more than just double. it can't be anyone's fault, really. we just have to deal with it, unfortunately.

i just can't get behind your arguements almost at all. not when you directly blame the shitty job market on women doubling the workforce "just so they can feel empowered"

 

I would so much rather go to work and come home to a place that was cared for by a woman and kids that were raised by a woman who gave a shit about her kids. Sadly what I had was a woman who did not care for the house, did not care for the kids but loved to spend money, talk on the phone and watch TV while the kids and the house fell apart.

No I am older and figured out all this women shit is not cracked up so good at all.

 

More so that your jabs at me,your cute little trite apologies that YOU worked hard (as if i didn't),that you can do what you want(because I stated I couldn't)
and i chose to this for the time being even though i do not see it as my ideal goal
-as subtle as you are making them is really rude and making me angry.
I do have choices, we do have perfect credit. We own our home and a nice car,our child is healthy and well cared for- but one of us at least ALSO has to work,currently hubby makes more ,so it is him.

This isn't the 1st time you have done this BS to me.
It ACTUALLY seems to me that YOU are very insecure about yourself the way you choose to go on and on about your "good choices" and "hard work"(or whatever other talking point always gets you going),while picking apart the choices of others,and going completely of subject
To any one that has any sort of disagreement with you.

I don't care bella. I don't. I guess that stings a little.
I'm sorry for you really.
And by the way,THAT is not aggression that is genuine pity.:cheers2:

 

again, I did not directly blame that on it, I said it was a factor, labor has become so much cheaper, so fast, and my posts are very amerocentric in this thread because this is an amerocentric issue in this case.


in america the workforce got a lot bigger, very "recently" in economic terms, and that is a huge issue, it's had wide sociological effects, and it's had wide economic effects, and it's not all of any problem, no one factor is, but it's a part of it that is overlooked BECAUSE it's not popular to say any problem has a contribution from feminism.

 

damn, i left for an hour and this thread suddenly became completely awesome.

 

i think that its ultimately up to the two parents in question as to who should stay home and how much. sometimes the guy just has better parenting skills. i know my fiancee is much more babycrazy than i am, and is a better caretaker of our home than i am. hes even pursuing a degree for a field where him working part time or from home (or both) is entirely feasible, whereas my career path is much harder to work from home with. he wants to take care of babies, i just think hes lucky if he gets one out of me so, yknow, compromise/understanding/consensus between the parental units is the fundamentally important thing

 

Yeah its like watching people fight on reality TV hey? Remember the penis incident on Survivor All Stars? Unforgettable.

 

^i didn't see it

it sounds like something i could get into... wait, that came out wrong...

 

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=NAJvetEuoKM

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

weren't they playing for like $100,000 or something? so she basically paid that much money just for the opportunity to flip out on tv?

also, i was under the impression that the naked guy was gay? how the hell did he sexually assault her?

 

They had to do this thing where they would walk along thin balance beams and they often had to maneuver around each other to get to the other side. They guy "intentionally" brushed his penis against her. This would have a big impact on virgins or nuns, perhaps she was one of those.

 

If you didn't care, you wouldn't be writting this, now would you.
You'e the one coming into a thread I wrote starting shit. .

 

and insecurity? Doesn't everyone have it?

 

You strike me as a deluded, stuck up fool.

 

You strike me as judgemental.

 

Dont let him strike you, kick his ass! Give him the serious smach down! In other words.... SLAP THE SHIT OUT OF EM!

 

I totally agree. I was going to be a working mom but with the baby coming my fiance and I have decided that it is actually better on our household income for me to stay home and take care of the baby.

It has to be a decision between you and your significant other. We decided what is best for us and later on I will go back to work.

 

if you can do it, it's a complete and utter pain in the ass sometimes, but it's worth it. turns out quantity time IS as good as quality time.

 

Most people don't have the luxury to stay at home after they have children, not even if one of the parents is working. But if they do, it should be about choice, not about who has the reproductive organs that enable giving birth. My partner wants to be the one who stays at home once we have kids and that will work for us because he already works from home on most days and can pretty much make up his own schedule which is never full-time (and yet he still makes more money than I probably ever will.. lucky fucker ), whereas I'm very much career-oriented and want to work, even if I wouldn't necessarily have to. He enables me to focus on my career which is important to me, and he has a career that will enable him to stay at home with our children in the future which is important to both of us. Anyhow.. I do think it's rubbish to except the father to always be the provider of the family, every family is different, every family should have the right to make their own choices.