After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

That'd sure be a start.
Our armed forces reporting mentally unfit persons would be another.
States doing the same as well.

 

I'm not completely sure, maybe increased penalties, including for federal, state and municipal agencies AND employees who fail to do their job.
I am mostly against any new laws before all the existing ones are allowed to do what they were intended to do.

 

There seem to have been several enforcement problems in two of the recent shootings:the South Carolina church shooting and the Florida school shooting. The South Carolina church shooting was a case in which Dylan Roof was able to buy a gun because of a flaw in the background checkand confusion in the paperwork among federal, county & local police.
FBI: Dylann Roof should not have been able to buy gun - CNNPolitics
Background Check Flaw Let Dylann Roof Buy Gun, F.B.I. Says
Washington Post: Breaking News, World, US, DC News & Analysis
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In the case of the Florida shooter, Nickolas Cruz, the perpetrator's history of troubling behavior—including disputes with neighbors, picking fights with other kids, and animal abuse—that frequently led to the police being called, and expulsion from school did not show up on his record.
Florida school shooting suspect bought 7 rifles in past year, law enforcement source says
Nikolas Cruz, Who Was Too Disturbed to Carry a Backpack, Legally Bought AR-15
Commentary: Background Checks Alone Can’t Stop a Mass Shooter—But This Process Could

And of course the armed security guard would not enter the building, and four deputies who showed up likewise remained outside.
Cop who didn't enter Florida school during shooting apparently lied about thinking gunshots outside

 

And the Sutherland Springs Texas church shooting November 2017.

The guy who did it got in trouble in the air force and the military never reported it so it didnt come up on his background check

We have the protocol. It just has to be followed.

 

Quoting the statistics of mass shootings (as if mass shootings are the only problem) is another way of saying the shooting of the kids is okay, it's a small number, and those kids lives are worth my need to feel tough by owning a gun. Otherwise why quote the numbers?

 

There you go again. If anyone mentions anything other than what you--and others like you in this thread--approve of, then you accuse them of not caring about kids. You have a very childish view and expectation of the world you live in. You want to make it perfect. If that's so, then you should be getting on the ass of the FBI whose negligence goes far beyond what you accuse gun owners of. Officials who are responsible for proper background checks should also be on your hit list. Instead, you hysterically jump on anyone who has a gun.

Nikolas Cruz goes on social media and says he wants to be a professional school shooter. Someone tips off the FBI concerning a disturbing you tube video posted by Cruz. Nothing is done. Your childlike reverence for authority has caused you to let them off the hook, and instead, cowardly take the course of least resistance by condemning those who have guns. You, and those like you in this thread, are just another kneejerk reaction specialist.

The statistics I provided show you that so many other things in the world kill way more people than guns. But you, in your emotion-driven campaign here, choose to hold all gun owners responsible for what some disturbed individuals do, and to look the other way concerning those in authority who very negligently dropped the ball.

 

Speaking of knees and jerks, your emotionalism on this subject, verging on rage, has been palpable. Most of the "other things in the world that kill people" are more difficult to control than guns. Guns are more efficient in killing people deliberately. Although disease, natural disasters, and automobiles kill more people, we still go after murderers. I think that makes sense. And I think it also makes choice to control their access to their weapons of choice. As for the FBI and other police slipping up, I think that definitely needs to be addressed. What is your plan for fixing it?

 

bye - you're blocked

 

This is *exactly* what I mean by gun fetish

 

Well, I'll challenge you to point me to the post/s I've made in this thread where I exhibited hysteria or rage. And when you fail that challenge--and you will--we won't speak of your kneejerk reactions to my defending myself against the judgmental offerings of stereotyping idiots because we won't have to, will we?

 

Well. one that comes to mind is your reaction to my statement that AR-15s are a favorite weapon of mass murderers. You said I "made that up". I didn't say it at the time, but that amounts to calling me a fabricator of false facts, which in my part of the country would call for a stronger response than I gave. I provided nine articles on which I based my conclusion. You continued to argue the point ad nauseum.--along the lines that handguns are used more often--but would never answer my question about whether we should do something about the handguns. That and your posts to others on this thread suggest that we touched a nerve.

And then the response to Kerri. Kerri was replying to your comment that the children killed by the mass gun murderers were just a tiny fraction of deaths, implying that they weren't particularly important. She responded that the lives of school children, however statistically insignificant they may seem to you, are important and should be weighed against the benefit of ready access to guns. Seems like a logical reply to me. Your response to her, accusing her, with no basis, of a "childlike reverence for authority" and of "cowardly" taking the course of least resistance in condemning gun lovers. I might be that I've misjudged you, and this was a cold, calculating tactic of shifting the focus to her instead of your own tenuous point about the statistical insignificance of the child deaths instead of a reflection of anger on your part. In that case, should I apologize? More to the point, what, if anything, should we do about the cracks in the detection system through which Cruz, Roof and others fell? And does that preclude doing anything about the guns?

 

Some wacko righting for "The Nation" progressive rag said.

"Im sorry, but I dont believe anyone has the "right" to own a gun"

Typical leftist. There is no conversation to be had with a person like that.

 

This is at least the second time in this thread that pro gun people have been blocked anti gun people. If the leftists keep this up they will have the echo chamber that they want.

 

Nice post. Pretty hilarious you got blocked for this. Astonishing.

 

Lotta problems with your post here. Where do I begin? I think id rather just not waste my time.

 

Lol it must be cool to be all knowing. Bye to you too. Blocked

 

Guns are a way for weak men to feel strong. You’re either okay with the kids getting murdered in school or your not. If you say you’re not okay with it then you must be willing to discuss any and all changes. Otherwise be honest you support guns because you like them and they make you feel strong when you’re not capable of achieving that feeling on your own. If you’re blocked I can’t see your reply