After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

Nothing matters to the dead. It matters to the living.

So let's regulate rifles with large magazines.

 

What does it matter to the living whether one gun or another is used?

Any rifle that has a large magazine attached to it is a rifle with a large magazine.

Attach a small magazine to the same rifle, and it is no longer a rifle with a large magazine.

 

This doesn't mean 91% of law enforcement support the good guy with a gun myth...which is what Okie was referring to.

 

Just back from a night shift so I'll get to this later.

 

Toggle said that if everyone in the restaurant had been armed, who knows how many lives would have been saved. I said that that sums up a consensus of law enforcement personnel as well. Okiefreak asked for a source. So I provided it.

Your point here seems to be that the survey respondents who supported concealed-carry didn't intend for their support to be construed as that carrier's right to use their weapon in a restaurant when someone starts murdering people. Is that the point you're trying to make?

 

Could you provide something to show that semiautomatic AR-15s are used in war?

 

No, I'm telling you that you are appealing to an authority that calls a semiautomatic rifle a weapon of war when it is not.[/QUOTE]

 

That doesn't really respond to the question.
TA:" If everyone in the restaurant had been armed, who knows how many lives would have been saved."
Storch::"That sums up a consensus of law enforcement personnel as well." The passage you quoted doesn's seem to sum up a consensus of law enforcement personnel that if everyone or most people were carrying concealed weapons mass shootings would b avoided. Washington Post: Breaking News, World, US, DC News & Analysis
Police Chiefs Oppose Reciprocity for Concealed-Carry Permits
For an explanation of why more guns don't stop crime and keep people safe, see More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

 

The phrase "weapon of war" comes up because it's contained in Justice Scalia's dictum re exceptions to the right to bear arms, but note: he did not say Is a weapon of war, he said like a weapon of war. That's a judgment call, and making judgement calls is what judges do. The Fourth circuit has made the judgment that AR15s fit that description, as has a Mass. district court.

How could anyone come to such a conclusion? Robert Treadway,senior policy analyst at Kentucky First Strategies explains:“The AR15 and its variants are fundamentally different from any other rifle on the market: It is light, effective, fast and easy to use to the point that it is in a different category of rifle than those coming before. The AR15, far more than any other weapon, is easy for an inexperienced shooter to learn to use, because of its light recoil and pistol grip, and the fact that its light recoil makes firing multiple rounds without breaking sight far easier than firing a .30 calibre rifle. It is easy for an inexperienced marksman to fire many rounds from an AR-15 without fatigue from the recoil; even the experienced shoulder gets sore after just a few shots from a .30 calibre rifle...Most school shooters are young and inexperienced marksmen. Most inexperienced shooters are not capable of accurately firing large-calibre weapons outside a rifle range, and the noise, recall and muzzle flash of a .30 calibre cartridge are often as frightening to the shooter as to the target. However, the AR-15 and its variants were specifically designed to be used by an inexperienced shooter, and to be more pleasant to fire than the older battle rifles they replaced. And the design succeeded very well. Now the question is what to do with that success."
Robert Treadway: In assault rifle debate, it is crucial to understand historical perspective - KyForward.com

 

Why are you claiming that I said the consensus I showed indicates that law enforcement personnel believe that mass shootings could be avoided if everyone were carrying concealed weapons? You made that up.

So, you found 473 law enforcement personnel who don't agree with the right to carry a concealed weapon? You do realize that that's pretty much what the survey I showed you found, don't you? Remember, 91% of respondents support concealed carry, while 4% don't. So . . .

 

I didn't "make it up". I gave you the context of the previous posts, to which yours purportedly was responding.

 

Sorry but the idea that a rifle that is like a weapon of war is a weapon of war is a failed argument. It either is or it isn't. There's been three school shooting involving the AR-15. Your effort here to build that mole hill into a mountain is shown to be just that, since a handgun is the weapon of choice.

 

Tell it to the judge.