Adam and 4000 BC

And the debate continues...

 

Facts? What facts? You have shown no facts in this matter. You have presented the assumptions of some "bible scholars" that you agree with and call them facts. I merely show you what the Bible says on the matter. To me it seems to be you that is burying his head in the sand and ignoring the facts.

:smilielol5:I have answered more questions in these threads than you have and it would take you years to catch up.

As for "I'm right and you're wrong", that seems to be the game you like to play but as for me I have many times said that no one should take my word for it and should look these things up for themselves.

You have no idea what I've read or haven't read and it really no difference except it probably would be a good idea to have read the entire Bible at least once, if you're going to discuss it.

Perhaps not but I do know what the Bible says about it.

Why should I, are you going to go and try to read every book I've read on religion in my 62 years?

You are the one that does not seem to be open minded. You seem to have a mind so filled with scholarship that you can't seem to see the forest for the trees, a mind so filled that you no longer have room to think for yourself.

Some scholars conclude that 2 Timothy is psuedograhic? Can't you understand these things meaningless? How does speculating on who wrote down every word in the Bible help you, help anybody? Either the Bible is the book God authored and wants us to use to guide our lives or it's not.

I know you were raised in a "Cliff notes" generation but sometimes it's good to realize that "Cliff notes" don't really tell you what it's all about. May I suggest that you for once get off your "scholarship" high horse and read the Bible for yourself for once. Just you and it and allow it to do it's job.

For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints and [their] marrow, and [is] able to discern thoughts and intentions of [the] heart. And there is not a creation that is not manifest to his sight, but all things are naked and openly exposed to the eyes of him with whom we have an accounting. (Hebrews 4:12-13)

 

The bible reads to me that Adam was within all of us as long as approved. But now that He seems to less approve at this Ishmail thing, I read and check that Adam definitely was the son of no one for a time sequence of Biblical conscience.
Ishmail was the son of Abraham. And that does makes for an ideal lineage; but I am now brain washed against the Muslims in the middle eastern heat over the Gaza.

Just being off-beat or off-topic.

 

Says the word of God waterbrother not the bible.

 

Do you really think there are Cliff notes out on this stuff? Once again, you provide a barrage of rhetoric to disguise the fact that you haven't been exposed even to a Cliff notes version of science or religion outside your narrow religious circles. By trying to go "one on one" with the Bible, without the benefit of any other perspective, you come up with a Bronze Age worldview which is comfortable with dismissing whole fields of science, such as paleontology; believes in giants and talking animals; and justifies genocide, misogyny, slavery, and homophobia. Am I correct that you also have moral problems with medical procedures like blood transfusions that can save human lives, even though the Biblical passages concerned are ambiguous and applicable only to Jews under the Law of Moses? In your desire for certainty, you are willing succumb to a mind crippling belief-system you mistakenly call Christianity, and even worse, serve as a vector for spreading it to others. Why would you think a loving God would want to inflict such a terrible virus on humanity? Anyone who thinks that the Bible can "do its job" automatically, without the benefit of reason and judgment, is naive.

 

I seem to have stuck a nerve.

 

Is the bible able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart?

 

Talking animals, talking books, whatever. Are you expecting him to give you an intelligent response?

 

The bible, 'thedope' is capable of hiding your personal intentions of the heart, and thus determining the forward movement of intentions and thoughts that matter to God. You adjust your life for the right way. The personal long standing intentions are claimed to be Re-determined for the good.

 

Yes

 

. . . The hand of Jehovah is cut short, is it?. . .(Numbers 11:23)

 

I can work with waterbrother. I expect an answer that is consistent with his world view or beliefs about the nature of god and man's relationship to god.

This particular issue, that is the nature of the "living word", waterbrother and I have the opportunity to discuss more than once. Waterbrother has not been exposed to a consistent and coherent alternative view.

That, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, is testament to an ancient principle of creation. λóγος, is the Greek for "word", "wisdom" or "reason". A term from Greek philosophy, it meant the principle of cosmic reason. This "word", has nothing to do with the written words of the bible other than the statement is found there.

 

Dunno man, seems like a God that can create the universe and resurrect Jesus can make a Donkey talk, a staff turn into a serpent, and guide man using a theological system designed by God over time.

 

I agree that the bible proposes a way away from weariness, however I do not understand what you are saying beyond that. Could you expound?

 

God comes in the blink of an eye. Theological systems are the study of divine things, human commentary or religious theory.

 

And make reindeer fly. But did He?

 

Not what I really meant :O

 

Not reindeer, but he did blind Paul (Acts 9:1-19). I believe that these things did happen.

 

Paul's blindness is credible. Temporary blindness can be caused by TIA's (transitory ischemic attacks, hysteria, etc. I went blind temporarily a few years ago. It was very dramatic. What looked like an external speck gradually became bigger until I could no longer see and had to be helped into the house and taken to the emergency room, which did no good at all. It eventually passed and my sight was restored. The doctor said it was just an occular migraine--no big deal.

It would also be nice to know more about Paul's experience. What exactly did he mean by "blind". When Oral Roberts saw his 20 foot Jesus, he later admitted it was in his mind. I once had a religious experience and was vaguely aware of people around me talking to me. But I was so focused on the experience, I couldn't really "see" them.

There are some differences between the account of Paul's experience described in Acts :"heard the voice but no one saw" (Acts 9:7) and Paul's own account : companions "saw the light but did not hear the voice" (22:9).

 

Then? Tis what I really mean.